Coronavirus 2019-2020 thread (no unsubstantiated rumours!)

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anyway I want to say this:

the West has been suspicious about China

(if you were recently reading US military outlets like DefenseNews etc., you'd see many articles going like
Pentagon's priority is China threat Pentagon's priority is China threat Pentagon's priority is China threat Pentagon's priority is China threat),

but at the same time the West missed the pandemic,

so now administrations and institutions like the CIA, NSA, MI6 etc. will try to cover their, ehm, backs

It is not in intelligence agencies' domain to predict and manage public health crises, rather they report to their civilian political masters whose responsibility it is. Not to mention plenty of information on the disease and outbreak was available to the public and professional health spheres beforehand. So I would say the political powers that be in these countries are trying to shift blame elsewhere including throwing their own intelligence agencies under the bus as well as dumping it on foreign targets such as China, which of course propaganda is part of the job description of intelligence agencies.

Looks like they caught it right in the face to me.

Absolutely. How does it make these countries look when hey vaunted their first world superiority over China to see China contain a virus from surprise outbreak far better than they could even with warning? How does it make the US look to know that even with 2 month's advanced warning, they will still suffer undoubtedly over 1,000% the mortality of China in a population that is only 25%? The US said they had the number 1 health system in the world. It's not explainable, so the only thing they can do is accuse China of lying and try to cast blame on China.

The arrogance, complacency, incompetence, internationally as well as domestic political prejudices of these countries' leaderships against segments of their own countries that would be hard hit are on blatant display for all who choose to take an objective look. The disease outbreak happens within the greater context of pre-existing societal problems.
 

manqiangrexue

Brigadier
I think the point is that countries are made up of lots of people, many of whom are not hostile or know better or don't care for unnecessary hostility. Full spectrum competition involves taking high roads, exchanging low blows, and everything in between. Neither the US nor China can completely "take out" the other and it's counterproductive to frame things in terms that are too absolute.
Well that's not a good point. My argument is that it is futile to use acts of kindness to try to win over the population of the US when the American government simply counters what you've done with made-up nonsense complaints to draw hatred towards you in their population. Like I said, that's like selling real goods for funny money. China can't win over the hearts of Americans against American media (and American media cannot win over the hearts of Chinese against Chinese media) so even trying is wasting energy and resources. That's because America's hatred of China doesn't come from these small things; it comes from fear of competition. If you cannot remove this root element, the hate cannot be abated. There does not have to be any "taking out" of either country; China can steadily surpass the US at everything and put it into a firm number 2 position, and once that happens and the US loses hope of competing with China, then the hostilities will end. But while they are rivals neck and neck for the crown, SWJ200's (or whatever his screen name is) hope to make Americans think better of the Chinese (not for national strategy, oh no, but because he's scared of getting the stink-eye at Walmart) is a foolish dream.
 
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manqiangrexue

Brigadier
China has fucked the world.

Congrats...... I bet they didn't think it would be this easy.....
The world f---d themselves with their arrogance and incompetence even after seeing what the virus can do in Wuhan. They thought their health systems and political systems were better than China's so what could happen to China couldn't happen to them. I bet they didn't think it'd be this easy to prove them so painfully wrong.
 
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SouthernSky

Junior Member
The world fucked themselves with their arrogance and incompetence even after seeing what the virus can do in Wuhan. They thought their health systems and political systems were better than China's so what could happen to China couldn't happen to them. I bet they didn't think it'd be this easy to prove them so painfully wrong.

Exactly my simple friend.
 

ZeEa5KPul

Colonel
Registered Member
China has fucked the world.

Congrats...... I bet they didn't think it would be this easy.....
Oh, you didn't think China would eat this hand grenade all by itself and take the hit alone so the world (especially the hostile and aggressive West) would be spared, did you? No, no, no, that wouldn't do at all. What, do you think China is run by dopes? There's no scenario in which China falls down by itself - if China goes down it takes everyone with it. We're all in this together, "friend."

As for thinking it would be this easy, it certainly is this easy. Where exactly is the difficulty? Do you think your politicians' worthless condemnations and calls for "reviews" and "investigations" mean anything? Whenever the West recovers from this (if it ever does), everything is going to go back to the way it was. There's exactly two things the West can do about China:
  1. Nothing.
  2. Like it.
 
interesting tidbit:
"As states begin to include “probable deaths” in their counts, so will Johns Hopkins University. In the upcoming days, these changes may show a surge of deaths in the United States."
source is
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also this one (
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"The number of people being admitted into hospitals with Covid-19 continues to be about 2,000 per day, Cuomo said."
probably meaning they haven't reached 'an equilibrium' in NY yet
 
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