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The kind of reactions that are being seen are just totally shameful

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How can someone not have running water for 5 years? Honestly, you can say “welfare queen”, just plain stupid, or whatever, but this kind of thing really should not be happening in a developed country.

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Another “China deceived the WHO” story. I’m so sick of these because they are just spineless politicians trying so hard to cover their rear-ends.
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What I find amazing is the breadth of the control over the media. It’s really insidious and subtle. This article is concentrating the criticism mainly on this point:

The most notorious example
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of a single tweet from the WHO account on January 14: “Preliminary investigations conducted by the Chinese authorities have found no clear evidence of human-to-human transmission of the novel
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.”

What's amazing is the sheer number of stories that repeat this same exact criticism. It's the only "proof" ever shown with regards to "WHO complicity in the Chinese cover-up". Funny enough, the author contradicts themselves nearly immediately.

That same day, the Wuhan Health Commission’s
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declared, “We have not found proof for human-to-human transmission.” But by that point even the Chinese government was offering caveats not included in the WHO tweet. “The possibility of limited human-to-human transmission cannot be excluded,” the bulletin said, “but the risk of sustained transmission is low.”

Of course we have been following this story closely for a while on this forum and know that this erroneous initial conclusion was due to the fact that authorities were concentrating on severe cases and the spread of mild and asymptomatic cases was not well known at the time. However, let's not let inconvenient facts get in the way of the political finger pointing!

Anyway, I could do a paragraph by paragraph deconstruction of this trash, but I won't to save time and headaches.

If you read any of these articles, they all basically follow circular references. Usually to a (as Jura put it) "MAGA-author" (or think-tank or publication). Then the next article references that one and so on. Very rarely do they actually link to scientific source material, when they do, it's in a very unscientific way.

For example, that article mentioned the Cambridge study that quoted the reduction in "95 percent of cases" if action had been taken sooner. What they don't mention is that study also said that the model shows that the actions taken were able to reduce caseload by 75%. I've seen this "95%" number quoted indirectly at least 5 different times.

The "Taiwan warning the WHO" email is already well detailed above. They didn't issue any warnings. All they did was ask for information. It was like if we all suddenly went out in the world and self-declared ourselves as warning the whole world because we had posted detailed information months ago on this publicly accessible forum! Yet many outlets are picking up this story.

I've also seen many articles use the Bloomberg article on the US Intelligence report that concluded China is lying as proof that China is lying... Has anyone actually seen the content of this report? I assume it's top secret, but even if we have the full report, it's so ridiculous that the media is essentially asking to be cynical about one government's report, but not another's "just because".

I have always been very weary of "fake news" even before it was considered a "thing". However, now with the internet, one can see the how deep the blatant manipulation of facts can be. It is truly some next level Potemkin village building.
 
The kind of reactions that are being seen are just totally shameful

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How can someone not have running water for 5 years? Honestly, you can say “welfare queen”, just plain stupid, or whatever, but this kind of thing really should not be happening in a developed country.

Similar story in FL:
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Another “China deceived the WHO” story. I’m so sick of these because they are just spineless politicians trying so hard to cover their rear-ends.
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What I find amazing is the breadth of the control over the media. It’s really insidious and subtle. This article is concentrating the criticism mainly on this point:



What's amazing is the sheer number of stories that repeat this same exact criticism. It's the only "proof" ever shown with regards to "WHO complicity in the Chinese cover-up". Funny enough, the author contradicts themselves nearly immediately.



Of course we have been following this story closely for a while on this forum and know that this erroneous initial conclusion was due to the fact that authorities were concentrating on severe cases and the spread of mild and asymptomatic cases was not well known at the time. However, let's not let inconvenient facts get in the way of the political finger pointing!

Anyway, I could do a paragraph by paragraph deconstruction of this trash, but I won't to save time and headaches.

If you read any of these articles, they all basically follow circular references. Usually to a (as Jura put it) "MAGA-author" (or think-tank or publication). Then the next article references that one and so on. Very rarely do they actually link to scientific source material, when they do, it's in a very unscientific way.

For example, that article mentioned the Cambridge study that quoted the reduction in "95 percent of cases" if action had been taken sooner. What they don't mention is that study also said that the model shows that the actions taken were able to reduce caseload by 75%. I've seen this "95%" number quoted indirectly at least 5 different times.

The "Taiwan warning the WHO" email is already well detailed above. They didn't issue any warnings. All they did was ask for information. It was like if we all suddenly went out in the world and self-declared ourselves as warning the whole world because we had posted detailed information months ago on this publicly accessible forum! Yet many outlets are picking up this story.

I've also seen many articles use the Bloomberg article on the US Intelligence report that concluded China is lying as proof that China is lying... Has anyone actually seen the content of this report? I assume it's top secret, but even if we have the full report, it's so ridiculous that the media is essentially asking to be cynical about one government's report, but not another's "just because".

I have always been very weary of "fake news" even before it was considered a "thing". However, now with the internet, one can see the how deep the blatant manipulation of facts can be. It is truly some next level Potemkin village building.

Posting Alex Lo's take to reinforce your points above. Describes how the western MSM frame anything China does.

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vesicles

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the Taiwanese write-up 發佈日期 2020/4/11 is
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I am super confused by the email. The email was clearly about Taiwan asking the WHO for more information. The email simply repeated the same information that China reported to the WHO, then asked if WHO could give them more info. Somehow it got turned into Taiwan alerted WHO?!?!?! What did actually they alert? They summarized the original Chinese report, which was sent to the WHO earlier on the same day, and were asking for more info!

This is absurd. It's like a student attends school, but he comes home and tells his parents that he taught the teachers everything they know... I am simply amazed that the Taiwanese government actually released the email. Did they actually believe that people are this stupid and can't read their email?
 
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Deino

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Me again with a question to France: Does anyone know what happened on 4.4. with an increase of +26.6k and yesterday a decrease of -6.6k ???

How could you get such results? Just by correction of previous results?

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vesicles

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A former Taiwanese health official came out today and said that he interpreted the "all 7 patients in isolation" as evidence of human-to-human transmission. Firstly, isolating patients is what doctors do to any mysterious illnesses. When they don't know what is going on, they isolate the patients. Better be safe than sorry. So simply isolating the patients doesn't mean anything. Secondly, "isolating all their 7 patients" was initially reported by the Chinese to the WHO. So what exactly did the Taiwanese alert the WHO? The Chinese alerted the WHO of their mysterious pneumonia. The Chinese reported to the WHO that they isolated all their patients and they were investigating the mysterious pneumonia. The Taiwanese simply parroted what the Chinese said in their report. No alerting of any kind. I can't believe the Taiwanese are blatant lying to the entire world, turning black into white.
 

vesicles

Colonel
Me again with a question to France: Does anyone know what happened on 4.4. with an increase of +26.6k and yesterday a decrease of -6.6k ???

How could you get such results? Just by correction of previous results?

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My guess is that they might have changed their testing criteria. During the chaotic few weeks before, they didn't have time to carefully test many people. So they decided to use a loose criteria. Anyone who loosely fit the criteria would be considered as positive (like pneumonia caused by common flu or bacterial infection). Now they have more time and resources and start to perform more careful tests. And some of the previously confirmed cases have been shown to be negative. So they are taking these cases out of the pool... My guess...
 
A former Taiwanese health official came out today and said that he interpreted the "all 7 patients in isolation" as evidence of human-to-human transmission. Firstly, isolating patients is what doctors do to any mysterious illnesses. When they don't know what is going on, they isolate the patients. Better be safe than sorry. So simply isolating the patients doesn't mean anything. Secondly, "isolating all their 7 patients" was initially reported by the Chinese to the WHO. So what exactly did the Taiwanese alert the WHO? The Chinese alerted the WHO of their mysterious pneumonia. The Chinese reported to the WHO that they isolated all their patients and they were investigating the mysterious pneumonia. The Taiwanese simply parroted what the Chinese said in their report. No alerting of any kind. I can't believe the Taiwanese are blatant lying to the entire world, turning black into white.

Do read this.
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Sadly the state of Journalism today. Taiwanese health official just needs to make an accusation and leave it to the western MSM to run with it and improvise as needed.
 

localizer

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A former Taiwanese health official came out today and said that he interpreted the "all 7 patients in isolation" as evidence of human-to-human transmission. Firstly, isolating patients is what doctors do to any mysterious illnesses. When they don't know what is going on, they isolate the patients. Better be safe than sorry. So simply isolating the patients doesn't mean anything. Secondly, "isolating all their 7 patients" was initially reported by the Chinese to the WHO. So what exactly did the Taiwanese alert the WHO? The Chinese alerted the WHO of their mysterious pneumonia. The Chinese reported to the WHO that they isolated all their patients and they were investigating the mysterious pneumonia. The Taiwanese simply parroted what the Chinese said in their report. No alerting of any kind. I can't believe the Taiwanese are blatant lying to the entire world, turning black into white.


I said same thing to taiwanese.

He responded: “Doesn’t matter, China lied to WHO”
 

Intrepid

Major
How could you get such results? Just by correction of previous results?
Compare it with the daily updated excel from
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, the JHU is collecting from several sources and there may be double counting occure. They are correcting from time to time.

JHU is quick
ECDC/WHO has continuous data

You have to look at both.
 

Intrepid

Major
I said same thing to taiwanese.

He responded: “Doesn’t matter, China lied to WHO”
Human behavior: unconditional differentiation from others and belonging to one's own clan is more value than facts. A survival strategy that is still deeply rooted in human beings.
 
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