solarz
Brigadier
Stock up on supplies and avoid crowds. Stay home if you can.
Coronavirus 2019-2020 thread (no unsubstantiated rumours!)
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Stock up on supplies and avoid crowds. Stay home if you can.
solarz
Brigadier
You're kidding me right? What part of exponential growth don't you understand?
The fatality rate is meaningless if the number of infections skyrocket! What's the economic consequence of an overwhelmed healthcare system? What is the economic consequence of millions of people dying within a few months?
If anything western media has been trying to downplay this pandemic for weeks. They only stopped once reality forced their eyes open.
This is not a "fairly benign flu". The flu has a hospitalization rate of 0.05%. COVID-19 has a hospitalization rate of ~10%, or 200 times higher!
This IS the real threat!
plawolf
Lieutenant General
Sorry but that’s just wrong.
The mortality rate is ‘only’ 1-2% when caseloads are light and everyone who needs intensive care can get it.
For those infected by COVID19, up to 30% will be classed as serve, and need intensive care treatment, specifically ventilators and/or more advanced treatment.
That is both why morality rates are only around 0.1% for China outside of Hubei and why its 6% in Italy.
The key is still containment. If you can limit the spread of the virus and number of inflect to be less than the number of intensive care patients your healthcare system can handle, you can keep the morality rate really low. But if your healthcare facilities are overwhelmed, you will suffer a huge number of needless deaths, as was the case early on in Wuhan, and now in Italy.
The problem isn’t one or over-reaction as you are suggesting, but one of under-reaction by pretty much everyone except China.
Had the rest of the world taken the virus as seriously as China when it was first discovered, they could have easily out into place quarantine procedures for all international arrivals, which would have stopped the spread of the virus dead in its tracks.
It is only because most governments didn’t put in place any meaningful screening and quarantine measures when they had the chance that they are now forced to take much more drastic and costly corrective measures now that the virus has achieve breakout in their countries.
Continued failure to take action still could lead to potentially catastrophic losses. Imagine up to 80% of your population being infected and 30% of the infected dying because of a local of ventilators to keep them breathing. That’s Black Death level in terms of percentages of the population gone, much more in absolute numbers.
That is, of course a worst case scenario, but it is terrifyingly possible, especially in countries with less developed medical facilities and high population density.
If we don’t get a handle on this, and the virus turns out to be highly unstable like the common cold as seems likely given its origin and genetics, this could become a yearly occurrence, like the flu. Imagine loosing 1-2% of all flu sufferers every single year. That is not something we want to become the new normal.
Hendrik_2000
Lieutenant General
Happy tear from the chart reader in Wuhan hospital
Lu Tingting, data reporter with Heilongjiang Medical Support Team in Hubei, got emotional on March 17 when the number on the patients' chart has reached zero. The chart showed confirmed, mild and severe cases. The hospital they were in charge of has cleared the whole chart. The chart also recorded all the important moments from the medical team this month.
Lu Tingting, data reporter with Heilongjiang Medical Support Team in Hubei, got emotional on March 17 when the number on the patients' chart has reached zero. The chart showed confirmed, mild and severe cases. The hospital they were in charge of has cleared the whole chart. The chart also recorded all the important moments from the medical team this month.
Hendrik_2000
Lieutenant General
Heart felt thank from Serbian premier
With China's medical aid continuing to arrive in Serbia, the country's prime minister has expressed her gratitude to China for helping in the battle of the novel coronavirus.
And from EU
European Commission President Ursula von der Leyen said the fight against the coronavirus is a global one. She's thanked China for supporting Europe and providing anti-epidemic supplies, which is "highly valued."
With China's medical aid continuing to arrive in Serbia, the country's prime minister has expressed her gratitude to China for helping in the battle of the novel coronavirus.
And from EU
European Commission President Ursula von der Leyen said the fight against the coronavirus is a global one. She's thanked China for supporting Europe and providing anti-epidemic supplies, which is "highly valued."
Jura The idiot
General
I've now put into Report Window the following:
libelous (or was it perhaps an exercise in freedom of speech to call the official decision "sick s-"? I'd appreciate addressing this on the main board I mean if profane characterizations of foreign policy like "sick s-" were OK so that I could possibly understand where this forum is heading, thank you)
What is china’s hospital ship doing ? Shouldn’t it be going around the world treating people of poor nations? This is the perfect time to help poor nations and get some good will in return.