Is the any credible evidence that this virus has infected any persons of Caucasin dna so far? Or any evidence that it has spread geometrically in any Western nation? Absent the two above, I would say anything coming out of Hong Kong about global epidemic is fear mongeling at this point in time. Yes it is spreading fast in mainland China, but curiously not anywhere else in the world.
Coronavirus 2019-2020 thread (no unsubstantiated rumours!)
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plawolf
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What a load of BS. Your video is literally just a masked nobody whining and griping, and it’s not even original or remotely valid complaints either.
When the evidence doesn’t support the wild claims, that’s pretty strong evidence that the poster is hunting for ‘evidence’ to fit his/her deep root existing prejudices rather than actually extrapolating a reasonable conclusion from the evidence available.
The Coronavirus is not much more dangerous than the common flu. Indeed, it is manifestly less so both in terms of the zero fatalities amongst the very young (in stark contrast to regular flu) and total death toll to date.
The only reason it is newsworthy at all is because it is a new strain of virus.
China has actually been extremely transparent and responsible in its handling of the outbreak, which is the sentiment expressed by every actual medical exert who have first hand involvement in this outbreak despite the western MSM propaganda overdrive. Indeed, their praise of China’s response is almost always censored out of the headline briefings, and you would only get a true sense of their feelings if you were listening to the original live interview.
Wuhan was locked down as soon as the nature of the virus was confirmed. To have released information earlier, without any actual facts, would have been grossly irresponsible rumour mongering.
There is zero evidence of a cover up or significant delay in release of information or countermeasures being put in place. The earlier rumours of some new deadly virus are just that, rumours. You get hundreds of them every year in China, the overwhelming majority of which are pure fiction. That’s not evidence of cover up as much as it is evidence of concerted foreign misinformation and subversion campaigns against China.
When you spam fictional conspiracy theories on any and all possible negative scenarios, it’s inevitable you will fluke one sooner or later.
The western response is mostly deliberately overhyped hysterics designed to maximise the damage to China spearheaded by the US. Ebola is many orders of magnitude more dangerous, yet you don’t see the same hysterics over that in west.
Case in point all the ‘evacuation’ flights western governments are organising. That is pure cheap PR BS designed to make play to the back row back home while also damaging China. If this was a seriously worrisome outbreak, no government would seek to deliberately break quarantine by flying nationals out from the heart of the outbreak to bring them home. You can bet your bottom dollar there won’t be evacuation flights if there is a major Ebola outbreak as that is seriously dangerous shit you don’t want to go out of your way to bring home.
The only evidence the western MSM is using to fuel these hysterics are the Chinese response, with constant loaded comparisons to the 2003 SARS outbreak, with the ‘reasoning’ that China must be covering up the true extent of the outbreak.
If anyone did that while a western nation was busy combating an outbreak, the western MSM would blast them fro dangerous and irresponsible fear mongering and disinformation that is little different from shouting ‘fire’ in a packed movie theatre.
Broccoli
Senior Member
Because western governments aren't trying to save face by claiming nothing is going on?
You don't put tens of millions into quarantine due "bad flu" or something similar, so it caused people to question official story especially since there is research facility close by where this kinda diseases are studied.
plawolf
Lieutenant General
Exactly the kind of unsubstantiated backwards fear mongering I was talking about.
You mean no western government would put a city of millions in lock down over a new flu, with the unspoken insulting insinuation that western governments are more responsible than China’s.
But if you know anything about the difference between western and Chinese governments, you will know full well that western governments are nothing like as responsible as China’s when it comes to looking after their citizens.
Aside from the low hanging fruit of basic infrastructure and education provision, there are plenty of really good recent examples. Look at the evacuation of Chinese nations from Yemen. Were was the western equivalent mission?
Look at the British Grenfell tower disaster. Nearly a hundred dead, a national safety scandal that is still not even bottomed out in terms of the turn scale of at risk buildings, and not one person held responsible in any way other than a cheap shot attempt to scapegoat the fire fighter commander.
Can you imagine such a farcical response if a similar incident happened in China?
China took really strong measures to counter the outbreak as soon as it was confirmed this wasn’t just the common flu. Rather than praise the robust and selfless response, you have idiots indulging in baseless fear mongering and baseless conspiracy theories.
plawolf
Lieutenant General
Exactly the kind of unsubstantiated backwards fear mongering I was talking about.
You mean no western government would put a city of millions in lock down over a new flu, with the unspoken insulting insinuation that western governments are more responsible than China’s.
But if you know anything about the difference between western and Chinese governments, you will know full well that western governments are nothing like as responsible as China’s when it comes to looking after their citizens.
Aside from the low hanging fruit of basic infrastructure and education provision, there are plenty of really good recent examples. Look at the evacuation of Chinese nations from Yemen. Were was the western equivalent mission?
Look at the British Grenfell tower disaster. Nearly a hundred dead, a national safety scandal that is still not even bottomed out in terms of the turn scale of at risk buildings, and not one person held responsible in any way other than a cheap shot attempt to scapegoat the fire fighter commander.
Can you imagine such a farcical response if a similar incident happened in China?
China took really strong measures to counter the outbreak as soon as it was confirmed this wasn’t just the common flu. Rather than praise the robust and selfless response, you have idiots indulging in baseless fear mongering and baseless conspiracy theories.
ofcourse, since Xi Jinping is the second coming of Jesus Christ every other Chinese citizen is a nobody compared to him so anythimg negative they say about him is automatically considered false.
regarding this myth that Wu Flu is no more dangerous than Flu, 59 million people in the US were infected , out of which 12000 died (0.02%) in other words.. in a random sample of 5800 patients only one patient would die of swine flu compare that to 132 for Wu flu.
another member asked me like one million times already what I think should be done & I didn't answer him.. because China cannot do anything more than what they are doing now, that doesn't mean the officials that covered it up shouldn't be punished to make an example out of them, Xi's usefullness has expired, just as how Mao Zedong did good things for China before he screwed up, Xi too has screwed up when he censored information.
I always thought Xi was one of weakest leaders China has had, Xi's worshippers say he is the strongest leader since Mao.. just because he is stuck to his thrown doesn't mean he is strong, it just means he is selfish,I'm not suggesting that China should become a democracy that would be way too risky because then we might get a Chinese Gorbachiev, instead he should just let the young generation rule, I'm sure you could find thousands of young Chinese politicians who would be 100 times more hawkish than Xi.
manqiangrexue
Brigadier
So a virus infection has 2 points to it: 1 is the infection rate, and 2 is the death rate. They are force multipliers of each other. The Swine flu numbers that you cited indicate a massively more infectious virus with a lower death rate. The mortality in the US was 12,500 with 61 million infected. Something like that in China with a population of 4x would be 50,000 dead, and that doesn't account for the factor of massively increased transmission rate due to quadrupled average population density. So... What is the importance of your 1,000 number?
You clearly don't know jack squat about viruses or flus and obviously are not here to learn. You have no idea what the threshold is to distinguish an emergency from a false alarm much less judge the actions of anyone else. You can't answer the question of what China should have done because you have no idea what the protocol is in any country for identifying (most critical) and dealing with a pandemic but only wanted to use any excuse whatsoever to bitch and moan about China's government on the internet. It has become especially clear that due to the extended incubation of the virus along with its ability to spread before symptoms arise, it is extremely hard if not impossible to catch early on. What are you here wasting bandwidth trying to do? To spread empty insults at leaders you wouldn't dare say in China? Dung beetle biting at a lion's heel...
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they published the genome, and australia independently recreated the virus in a lab. so however bad it might get, its now a known known to the whole world.
this is like publishing the source code and the community recompiles it confirms binary matches yet some people still think there is a hidden backdoor...
the only caveat would be unpredictable mutations by random cosmic rays or some western msm says 5g is contributing to the mutations etc, all the while some US diplomats who didnt catch that chartered flight outta wuhan might be busy with other NOC related tasks