Coronavirus 2019-2020 thread (no unsubstantiated rumours!)

solarz

Brigadier
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The Wuhan government got lambasted for letting a banquet happen before the outbreak was even fully identified.

Meanwhile in Canada, even with exponentially increasing infections, conferences with tens of thousands of attendees are still going ahead.

I hope those Chinese netizens who were mad at the "cover up" of the outbreak take a good look at what non-Chinese governments have been doing to fight the virus.
 

TerraN_EmpirE

Tyrant King
Humour can be a good thing in dark times.
Oh yes because them nasty Americans be getting there just desserts now.
Really? Really?
The biggest element in a pandemic is behavioral. From the 1919 Flu to the Black death.
Corona Viruses are very common. They are a common cause of colds. What is different about this one is it’s a little more lingering. Otherwise it’s no harder than a man flu to most. It’s those who were already badly off who get hit the hardest. This one piggybacked into Cold and Flu season and we call it that because most people shut themselves up in the cold and in that environment we expose each other regularly to the same viruses. Proper behavioral steps are the biggest weapon against Cold Flu and Corona. Hand washing, Covered coughs and sneezing properly sanitizing contact points like door nobs and not sharing cups and utensils.
 

vesicles

Colonel
I know sampling all 11million people in Wuhan is impossible, but it isn't required.

It's been some time since statistics class, but let's assume a worst case scenario which requires a confidence interval of 1, and a confidence level of 99%

You only need a **truly random** sample of 16616 people in Wuhan to determine the overall infection rate.



I don't know anyone who has contracted the virus.

I'm asking because in the event of a serious outbreak, all countries don't have sufficient isolation facilities or equipment for their medical staff.

So my understanding is that many doctors and nurses (in the real world) are likely to be continually exposed to low levels of COVID-19 due to the nature of their work. That is what we saw initially in Wuhan.

So suppose a doctor or nurse has previously contracted COVID-19 and fully recovered.
And if they were continually exposed to low levels of virus, could they be expected to remain immune to that particular strain?

If they are continuously exposed to a virus that is actively mutating and continuously generating new antibodies against newer versions of the evolving viruses, it is then possible that they will stay immune for a while longer than the general public. However, the danger is that one of these newer generations of viruses might be one of those super bugs and catch the patient off guard. The patient would end up mounting hyper responses to the virus and becoming serious ill or worse.

Our immune system is a highly energy costly operation. I always like to compare our immune system to a locksmith. Imagine a virus being a lock, our locksmith tries to make as many keys as he can and hopes that one of his keys would open the lock. This is what our immune system is doing. We generate countless immune cells, each of which is coated with a unique kind of antibody. If one antibody locks onto the virus, our body will start mass-produce this type of immune cells. This procedure costs a lot of energy. That’s why we feel so bad when we get the flu. If we are continuously exposed like the doctors in your example, our body will eventually be drained and the virus will crack our defense. So not a good idea to be continuously exposed.

Vaccines also uses the same principle, I.e. low level exposure to kickstart the antibody generation process. However, vaccines typically contain only bits and pieces of the viruses that cannot replicate or proliferate. So our body would be exposed to a low level of only bits of viral particles that do not change over time. In an actual infection situation, the virus in our body are alive and are replicating like crazy. So our body would be constantly under heavy attack. So continuous exposure is a very bad idea.

Having live virus vs. vaccine is like having a live tiger in your house vs. having a tiger tooth as decoration on your shelf. A low level of virus would be like a baby tiger. But it’s going to eventually grow up and eat you...
 

Gatekeeper

Brigadier
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Oh yes because them nasty Americans be getting there just desserts now.
Really? Really?
The biggest element in a pandemic is behavioral. From the 1919 Flu to the Black death.
Corona Viruses are very common. They are a common cause of colds. What is different about this one is it’s a little more lingering. Otherwise it’s no harder than a man flu to most. It’s those who were already badly off who get hit the hardest. This one piggybacked into Cold and Flu season and we call it that because most people shut themselves up in the cold and in that environment we expose each other regularly to the same viruses. Proper behavioral steps are the biggest weapon against Cold Flu and Corona. Hand washing, Covered coughs and sneezing properly sanitizing contact points like door nobs and not sharing cups and utensils.

Please don't take it to heart. I don't think he was referring to the "nasty American" getting their just desserts. I think he was referring to your infection rate at or near it's peak forecast!
 

Air Force Brat

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Folks in the states might want to use this link for the latest updates on coronavirus cases in the U.S. and Canada:

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This site uses machine learning to scrape local news for coronavirus reports. It is a lot faster than the CDC.

Thank you Siege, while much of this is in Chinese, as you scroll down you see specific information in English, pm Siege if you need some help with translation....
 

TerraN_EmpirE

Tyrant King
Please don't take it to heart. I don't think he was referring to the "nasty American" getting their just desserts. I think he was referring to your infection rate at or near it's peak forecast!
I think... I can’t say what I really think of what he meant. But he wanted to paint it as me playing at gallows humor. Or the idiot who sends the Truck, the boat and the helicopter on because a miracle is coming...
My point is that as the temperature goes up and people are being blasted with the nightmare scenario people are going to burn this out. Spring is coming. This thing started in November and ran though the winter. That’s the normal cycle.
 

Gatekeeper

Brigadier
Registered Member
More happy angels just relief and happy to be going home! Well done for being so dedicated, courageous and professional. The nation owe you guys big time!

Never doubted you to come through for one minute. Never doubted your sacrifice is given freely out of a sense of loyalty and professionalism.

And never for one minute this sacrifice was coerced, or forced like some people, particularly the MSM, try to suggest. "Because no one of their own free will would ever support CCP China"!

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