Coronavirus 2019-2020 thread (no unsubstantiated rumours!)

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Combined with people who died at home, much like in other countries, and I would say in the end its somewhere around 150k. Every death is tragic, but considering the options available to China this is the best the nation could have hoped for. In terms of percapita deaths, this still puts China at the very bottom.
Aside, this is that those A4 protesters wanted. Are they gonna be held accountable for their selfish actions?
Well what was the alternative, for the lockdowns to continue? Sometimes you have to adjust plans according to reality and many times, reality is both not pretty and antithetical to perfection. China still has one of the lowest per capita death rates in the world, so history will judge China kindly for this.
 

ZeEa5KPul

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Didn't NPR say that China arrested a few women which are the leaders of A4 protests. I am not sure what the government is going to do with these feminism and wokeism young ladies. It seems like young women have become the mainstay of color revolutions.
They're going to be tried and if they're found guilty they're going to be punished. Where's the mystery here?
 

Biscuits

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What are the chances of a new strain emerging as it tears through the population? Usually viruses mutate to be more infectious but less lethal, but that can't be counted upon.

Aside, this is that those A4 protesters wanted. Are they gonna be held accountable for their selfish actions?
I don't think the few foreign agent hacks had any effect on government policy.

Beijing wanted it now so everyone can be healthy and contribute to the economy by CNY. That is the most simple explanation.

Covid is not lethal anymore to justify lockdown. It sucks that it became endemic, but that is the fault of inferior healthcare systems in the overseas, if they had done their jobs, covid could be eradicated.

The release of the wave's death toll all but confirms this. It has become another influenza, an upper respiratory virus that only poses signficant risk to the severely ill.

Regarding the terminology of deaths or excess deaths, the deaths can only be counted in the same ways as the international standard, which afaik is what the 59 000 number comes from.

As for what became of the shills, China has to follow the law in handling them. Those who are unregistered foreign actors are arrested, probably fined but hopefully some get jailed. Those who are just retards face no repercussions, being a retard is not against the law.
 

supercat

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It looks like that the first wave is coming to an end. Hopefully, the death toll will be less than 100,000 in the first wave. Subsequent waves are usually less harsh than the first one.

All numbers are nationwide:
  • The visits to fever clinic peaked at 2.87 million on Dec 23, 2022. By Jan 12, 2023, the number was 470,000, more than 75% reduction. The decline has been seen in both urban and rural areas.
  • The detection rate of COVID-19 positive cases at fever clinics has also been dropping steadily, peaking at 33.9 percent on Dec 20 and falling to 10.8 percent on Jan 12.
  • The number of patients being hospitalized for COVID-19 infections has decreased to 1.27 million on Jan 12 from 1.62 million on Jan 5.
  • The number of serious hospitalized cases peaked on Jan 5 at 128,000 and then fell to around 105,000 on Jan 12. The occupancy rate of critical care beds stood around 75.3% as of Jan 12.
  • Nearly 92.8 percent of the serious patients at the hospitals on Jan 12 also suffered serious preexisting illnesses, and only 7 percent were in severe condition due to a COVID-19 infection alone.
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I think the just announced age profile of China's death toll is consistent with other countries that prioritized the vaccination of the elderly with mRNA vaccines. In these countries, the death tolls have also been overwhelmingly skewed to the elderly, despite the effort to vaccinate the elderly with mRNA vaccines before other age groups.
 

canniBUS

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mRNA and genetic vaccine issues:

These problems should exist in both mRNA (Pfzier, moderna) and viral vector (JJ/astrazenica/Sputnik) vaccines.

1. Genetic vaccines are meant to be delivered into muscular tissue but due to human error or bad luck when injecting the vaccine, the lipid particles carrying mRNA (or the viral vector in the case of viral vector vaccines) can end up in the bloodstream. This causes the vaccine's genetic payload to be carried throughout the body and enter into non-muscular tissue cells such as heart, brain, or even other immune cells. As a result the antigen coded in the RNA is created by the non-muscular cells and then the immune system will attack these non-muscular tissue causing health problems. This is similar to an auto-immune disease.

2. There is no empirical evidence that genetic vaccines are superior at providing disease immunity compared to other types of vaccines (inactivated/attenuated, conjugate, sub-unit). Nor is there evidence that genetic vaccines can be manufactured faster than other types of vaccines (contrary to marketing claims of genetic vaccine producers).

3. The quantity of antigens introduced to the body affects the quality of the immune response and the creation of immunity. Both too much antigens and too few antigens lead to poor immune response and poor immunity. The problem with genetic vaccines is that the quantity of antigens being introduced is unpredictable since the antigens are produced by the patients own cells and that quantity can vary due to individual differences. Other types of vaccines that deliver a precisely measured quantity of antigens are designed to cause an optimal and more consistent immune response across the population.

4. The reverse-transcriptase enzyme may take mRNA from the vaccine can write it into human DNA. This has not been researched and needs to be investigated.

Future uses of genetic vaccines:

1. mRNA and genetic vaccines are still useful in genetic therapies for cancer treatment and research into this technology should continue.

2. Perhaps inhaled genetic vaccines will be a safer delivery mechanism than intramuscular injection, the chance of the vaccine particles entering the bloodstream is smaller when inhaled.

3. In the future, it might be useful to induce human cells to manufacture various kinds proteins that the cells cannot normally produce for health reasons, mRNA and genetic vaccines could be a delivery mechanism.

4. mRNA and genetic vaccines can still be used to treat diseases in animals as safety is less of a concern.
 

Quickie

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mRNA and genetic vaccine issues:

These problems should exist in both mRNA (Pfzier, moderna) and viral vector (JJ/astrazenica/Sputnik) vaccines.

1. Genetic vaccines are meant to be delivered into muscular tissue but due to human error or bad luck when injecting the vaccine, the lipid particles carrying mRNA (or the viral vector in the case of viral vector vaccines) can end up in the bloodstream. This causes the vaccine's genetic payload to be carried throughout the body and enter into non-muscular tissue cells such as heart, brain, or even other immune cells. As a result the antigen coded in the RNA is created by the non-muscular cells and then the immune system will attack these non-muscular tissue causing health problems. This is similar to an auto-immune disease.

2. There is no empirical evidence that genetic vaccines are superior at providing disease immunity compared to other types of vaccines (inactivated/attenuated, conjugate, sub-unit). Nor is there evidence that genetic vaccines can be manufactured faster than other types of vaccines (contrary to marketing claims of genetic vaccine producers).

3. The quantity of antigens introduced to the body affects the quality of the immune response and the creation of immunity. Both too much antigens and too few antigens lead to poor immune response and poor immunity. The problem with genetic vaccines is that the quantity of antigens being introduced is unpredictable since the antigens are produced by the patients own cells and that quantity can vary due to individual differences. Other types of vaccines that deliver a precisely measured quantity of antigens are designed to cause an optimal and more consistent immune response across the population.

4. The reverse-transcriptase enzyme may take mRNA from the vaccine can write it into human DNA. This has not been researched and needs to be investigated.

Future uses of genetic vaccines:

1. mRNA and genetic vaccines are still useful in genetic therapies for cancer treatment and research into this technology should continue.

2. Perhaps inhaled genetic vaccines will be a safer delivery mechanism than intramuscular injection, the chance of the vaccine particles entering the bloodstream is smaller when inhaled.

3. In the future, it might be useful to induce human cells to manufacture various kinds proteins that the cells cannot normally produce for health reasons, mRNA and genetic vaccines could be a delivery mechanism.

4. mRNA and genetic vaccines can still be used to treat diseases in animals as safety is less of a concern.

Even the viral vector vaccines are specific in the types of cells that they can enter into, unlike the mRNA vaccine which is completely without the targeting mechanism since it's simply enclosed in lipid nanoparticles.

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xlitter

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With reporting of up to 900 million Chinese already infected, I'll find that getting below 1 million deaths to be a miraculous success to be honest.

No amount of health care infrastructure will cope with that amount of sick people in such a short period of time. We'll need to wait and see official excess death statistics before making bold predictions about how many people passed from this wave unfortunately.

Even if fully vaxxed would confer 99% effectiveness against severe illness, you will still get 9 million severely ill people if we extrapolate from the 900 million figure.
The actual number is far lower than your forecast, and the number of severe cases peaked at 128,000 on January 5! In addition, the highest number of hospitalizations is 1.625 million! Chinese hospitals can fully bear it, please don't make random guesses and create anxiety!

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Jiao Yahui, director of the Department of Medical Affairs of the National Health and Medical Commission, replied: According to our monitoring data, the number of hospitalized COVID-19 patients is showing a continuous downward trend. It reached a peak of 1.625 million hospitalized COVID-19 infections on January 5, and then continued to decline, falling back to 1.27 million on January 12. Among them, 1.17 million people were admitted to medical institutions above the second level, and 100,000 people were admitted to designated hospitals and sub-designated hospitals. The proportion of patients infected with the new crown showed a continuous downward trend. It reached a peak of 27.5% on January 3, then continued to decline, and fell back to 21.7% on January 12, a drop of 5.8 percentage points from the peak period.

According to monitoring data, 2 weeks after the peak of fever outpatient visits, the number of severe patients with new crown positive in the hospital also reached its peak, and then showed a slow downward trend. The number of critically ill patients currently in hospital is still at a high level. On January 5, 2023, the number of COVID-19-positive critically ill patients in the hospital peaked at 128,000, and then continued to fluctuate and decline. By January 12, the number of positive critically ill patients in the hospital fell back to 105,000, and the utilization rate of intensive care beds was 75.3%. , the intensive care beds can meet the needs of treatment. Among the critically ill COVID-19 patients in the hospital on January 12, there were 97,000 patients with severe underlying diseases combined with COVID-19 infection, accounting for 92.8%. There are 7,357 critically ill patients infected with the new coronavirus, accounting for 7%. From the perspective of data analysis, severe patients infected with the new coronavirus have the following characteristics: First, they are mainly elderly. The oldest is 105 years old, and the average age is 75.5 years old. The proportion of those aged 60 and over is 89.6%. Second, it is common to have multiple underlying diseases. Patients with one basic disease accounted for 40.7%, two basic diseases accounted for 24.6%, and three or more basic diseases accounted for 34.8%. Most basic diseases are cardiovascular and cerebrovascular diseases, endocrine system diseases and respiratory system diseases.

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daifo

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The usual twitter boba libs on twitter have been relatively quiet... the millions of death that was suppose to happen this past month did not happen and the major cities are buzzing again. Then the hopium was the rural areas will get wiped out but... that doesn't seem to be the case either:



Now the usual twitter boba are focusing on the arrest of the hanjians in the protest (many were female) and trying to make an issue out of it.
 
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