Coronavirus 2019-2020 thread (no unsubstantiated rumours!)

s002wjh

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Chinese government and probably researchers too have access to the data. No need to publish the figures when Western MSM will make sure no one will believe them.
instead MSM will just think they are hiding it. doesn't look good when most nation display their data. the data is NOT for western media anyway, why would china care what MSM opinions. the data is there so researcher who are interest can have access to it, such as WHO.
india had alot death during their wave, everybody know this kill alot people.
 

KYli

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instead MSM will just think they are hiding it. doesn't look good when most nation display their data. the data is NOT for western media anyway, why would china care what MSM opinions. the data is there so researcher who are interest can have access to it, such as WHO.
MSM already accuses China of every evil deeds possible. Why should it matter for what they think. It has been nonstop negative Chinese news and making up stuffs for years now.

Are India, Indonesia, Iran, every African nations, ASEAN nations, Southeast nations data truthful and meaningful. Most nations stop giving out any accurate infections and deaths data long ago or never did to begin with. Even the US and EU and Japan data are very fishy.

You believe that India has only 200 cases and no deaths. Did Researchers and WHO complain about it? It is always China this and China that. China has been upheld to a standard that even many advanced countries can't meet.

More importantly, China has stopped mass testings. So there is no way that China would have any accurate data to begin with. Any data that comes close to accurate is estimate or guesswork. And it is precisely that China doesn't care about MSM that it decided to not publish better data.
 

tokenanalyst

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the data is NOT for western media anyway, why would china care what MSM opinions. the data is there so researcher who are interest can have access to it, such as WHO.
india had alot death during their wave, everybody know this kill alot people.
No no no, publishing data is for policy making, if you are not going to do policy like... ZERO COVID then publishing data is useless. People will ask themselve why you are showing me this numbers if you aren't going to do nothing anyway
 

MortyandRick

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No no no, publishing data is for policy making, if you are not going to do policy like... ZERO COVID then publishing data is useless. People will ask themselve why you are showing me this numbers if you aren't going to do nothing anyway
This is exactly what the US has done too! They basically left updating the numbers to the CDC. So why is it when China fits it it’s holding not when the US does it, is ok? Also during the Covid flare in 2020, Florida actually suppressed COVID numbers actively. No one complained.

Once Zero COVID is abolished, there is no point in releasing numbers nationally anymore, just leave it to the CDC to communicate with the WHO. Western news will never say anything good anyways, why give them extra ammunition? I’m glad they made this change.
 

Han Patriot

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This is exactly what the US has done too! They basically left updating the numbers to the CDC. So why is it when China fits it it’s holding not when the US does it, is ok? Also during the Covid flare in 2020, Florida actually suppressed COVID numbers actively. No one complained.

Once Zero COVID is abolished, there is no point in releasing numbers nationally anymore, just leave it to the CDC to communicate with the WHO. Western news will never say anything good anyways, why give them extra ammunition? I’m glad they made this change.
The CDC doesnt test for everybody only symptomatic cases where they go to hospitals. India doesn't even test at all nowadays.

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Zombies are shopping, oh no China is collapsing.
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Bodies are piling up, oh no China is collapsing.
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3 dose sinopharm, 3 days recovery, mild fever no cough. Yeap, Chinese vaccines don't work.
 

LawLeadsToPeace

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This is exactly what the US has done too! They basically left updating the numbers to the CDC. So why is it when China fits it it’s holding not when the US does it, is ok? Also during the Covid flare in 2020, Florida actually suppressed COVID numbers actively. No one complained.
The Western MSM's reports on the "elimination" of China's count number was based on the NHC's initial and unclear statement. If one of our members here who is literate in Chinese thought the case counting mechanism was abolished, Western journalists, who most likely use translate software, will also most likely think the same.
 

Icmer

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Users are ascribing all sorts of imaginary motivations to me for daring to show up with a critical viewpoint after a period of inactivity. Never mind the possibility that I might have specific expertise and finally felt the need to offer counterarguments to the dominant narrative in this thread which I felt was getting rather divorced from reality.

I always knew the users here are mostly overseas Chinese/mainland Chinese who have had extensive experience abroad and familiarity with the Western hostility, demonization and dehumanization of China and Chinese people. I too harbor such grievances and such a description does befit me, but I know how to view the situation objectively given the extent of my research on the pandemic and China's situation even if it means my views have to occasionally be in accordance with the Western media narratives being pushed. Users here can't seem to let go of the mentality that they are constantly under attack by the West even in the case of largely domestic affairs. It should go without saying that most mainland Chinese don't have their VPNs constantly turned on to regularly read Western media or shitpost on self-hating spaces such as r/China_irl or Twitter/TGTM. They're really only affected tangentially by Western narratives if at all. If they don't regularly leave China, they have a very low chance of ever encountering the kind of abusive/violent racist hate that Western narratives tend to engender. Even in the US, the vast majority of the recent violence directed at East Asians comes from socioeconomically disadvantaged minorities, not people of the same race that created those narratives in the first place.

People are using the developing country excuse as if China didn't want to be exceptionally successful among all countries, whether in the global North or South, in handling the pandemic by all metrics. There were certainly failings in its preparation for reopening - I'll leave it at that as I don't think explaining further than I already have will get through to the users here who have such massive chips on their shoulders to feel besieged and persecuted by the expression of any view remotely associated or in line with those of Westerners.

I'm posting this just-released preprint because less severity might not mean the virus has taken an entirely positive turn. Currently China is said to mostly be encountering the BF.7 variant (with some uncertainty because of a lack of genetic sequencing). BF.7 is one of the many descendants of BA.5 that have arisen since the past summer. Its specific clinical characteristics are not well-defined, but past research suggests that people should be mindful that a lack of acute symptoms during their course of recovery is not necessarily a sign they escaped without lasting damage.

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A frequently repeated premise is that viruses evolve to become less pathogenic. This appears also to be true for SARS-CoV-2, although the increased level of immunity in human populations makes it difficult to distinguish between reduced intrinsic pathogenicity and increasing protective immunity. The reduced pathogenicity of the omicron BA.1 sub-lineage compared to earlier variants is well described and appears to be due to reduced utilization of TMPRRS2. That this reduced pathogenicity remains true for omicron BA.5 was recently reported. In sharp contrast, we show that a BA.5 isolate was significantly more pathogenic in K18-hACE2 mice than a BA.1 isolate, with BA.5 infection showing increased neurovirulence, encephalitis and mortality, similar to that seen for an original strain isolate. BA.5 also infected human cortical brain organoids to a greater extent than a BA.1 and original strain isolate. Neurons were the target of infection, with increasing evidence of neuron infection in COVID-19 patients. These results argue that while omicron virus may be associated with reduced respiratory symptoms, BA.5 shows increased neurovirulence compared to earlier omicron sub-variants.
 

Icmer

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Users are ascribing all sorts of imaginary motivations to me for daring to show up with a critical viewpoint after a period of inactivity. Never mind the possibility that I might have specific expertise and finally felt the need to offer counterarguments to the dominant narrative in this thread which I felt was getting rather divorced from reality.

I always knew the users here are mostly overseas Chinese/mainland Chinese who have had extensive experience abroad and familiarity with the Western hostility, demonization and dehumanization of China and Chinese people. I too harbor such grievances and such a description does befit me, but I know how to view the situation objectively given the extent of my research on the pandemic and China's situation even if it means my views have to occasionally be in accordance with the Western media narratives being pushed. Users here can't seem to let go of the mentality that they are constantly under attack by the West even in the case of largely domestic affairs. It should go without saying that most mainland Chinese don't have their VPNs constantly turned on to regularly read Western media or shitpost on self-hating spaces such as r/China_irl or Twitter/TGTM. They're really only affected tangentially by Western narratives if at all. If they don't regularly leave China, they have a very low chance of ever encountering the kind of abusive/violent racist hate that Western narratives tend to engender. Even in the US, the vast majority of the recent violence directed at East Asians comes from socioeconomically disadvantaged minorities, not people of the same race that created those narratives in the first place.

People are using the developing country excuse as if China didn't want to be exceptionally successful among all countries, whether in the global North or South, in handling the pandemic by all metrics. There were certainly failings in its preparation for reopening - I'll leave it at that as I don't think explaining further than I already have will get through to the users here who have such massive chips on their shoulders to feel besieged and persecuted by the expression of any view remotely associated or in line with those of Westerners.

I'm posting this just-released preprint because less severity might not mean the virus has taken an entirely positive turn. Currently China is said to mostly be encountering the BF.7 variant (with some uncertainty because of a lack of genetic sequencing). BF.7 is one of the many descendants of BA.5 that have arisen since the past summer. Its specific clinical characteristics are not well-defined, but past research suggests that people should be mindful that a lack of acute symptoms during their course of recovery is not necessarily a sign they escaped without lasting damage.

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There is also recent evidence that BA.2 had developed enhanced neuroinvasion properties like BA.5. XBB variants descend from BA.2 and are currently taking over in regions such as the rest of Asia and in North America.

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Coronavirus Disease 2019 (COVID-19) is associated with a variety of neurological complications, including encephalopathy, encephalitis, dementia, and others.1 The pathogenic mechanism of these neurological manifestations remains incompletely understood but may be due to factors such as coagulation problem, immune-mediated response, or direct viral invasion into the central nervous system (CNS).2 We and others previously reported that ancestral SARS-CoV-2 could infect and replicate in human brain organoids.3,4 More recently, SARS-CoV-2 Omicron BA.1 emerged in late 2021 and demonstrated altered virological features including increased immunoevasion and attenuated pathogenicity comparing to SARS-CoV-2 wildtype (WT) and previous variants.5 However, the neuroinvasiveness of Omicron sublineages remain unexplored. Here, we investigated the neuroinvasion and neurotoxicity of Omicron BA.1 and BA.2, and compared the findings with those of SARS-CoV-2 WT and Delta in human forebrain and midbrain organoids. Our results demonstrated that BA.2 replicated more efficiently while triggered lower levels of type I interferon response than that of SARS-CoV-2 WT, Delta, and BA.1 in both human forebrain and midbrain organoids. In addition, BA.2 triggered substantially higher levels of apoptosis in the infected human forebrain and midbrain organoids. Together, these findings suggest that BA.2 may be different from SARS-CoV-2 WT and previous variants in its capacity in targeting and causing diseases in the human brain.
 
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