You just supported my statement about deaths being only 2 as of 10 days ago. As you said, on 12/4 there were only 2 deaths. Your insistence on this line of argument truly cannot be more pedantic anyway - 2, 5, 7 are all obviously non-credible.
Do I need to refresh your memory what you have said before? Before, I just pointed out to you that you need to do your homework but you keep deflecting the fact you got it wrong. You can simply accept the fact that you got it wrong but no you have to continue to keep twisting your statement in order to avoid such obvious error.
"There are reports of specific prominent people’s deaths in excess of the total mortality figures for the past month. It’s impossible for reasonable people to defend that
there have only been around 2 deaths reported in the past 20 days."
It's a fact that the government initially restricted vaccinations for older people and raised unnecessary concern about their relative safety for older people.
Initial attempt to vaccinate healthy population is to convince elderly that vaccines are safe. Now, you are totally making up fake news.
That initially supported and stoked their vaccine hesitancy, which no other major country in the region or in the West did. The late push to target vaccination for them and offer incentives doesn't change that. You must not have been paying attention or were wilfully ignorant.
Hong Kong vaccinated its elderly first. Did it stop the rumors and concerns about vaccines for its elderly? Did Taiwan done a better job? China never has the kinds of deaths the West had during its vaccination campaign. Most elderly don't have the incentives to vaccinate. Hong Kong was forced to put restrictions and mandate in order to force many elderly to vaccinate but not until an outbreak killed many people that finally did the trick .
Why did vaccinations go down hill in the West? Why are there vaccines hesitation? Why the West implementing vaccines mandate in order to increase vaccination rate? The whole conspiracies and rumors and movements about boycotting vaccination and refusing vaccination were started in the West. Let me remind you that how many riots that the West has had in order to stop vaccination mandate. Just recently, Canadians truckers just attempted a strike in order to stop vaccine mandate. You are being pathetic for spreading such lies.
The misallocation of resources toward unscientific forms of prevention is a fact. Naomi Wu has been consistently calling out how such measures persisted and stayed widespread despite their mounting excessive cost and lack of evidence supporting them. In fact pretty much all of my criticism of the government here is unoriginal and originate not from Western media but from mainland Chinese like her who actually defended Zero COVID throughout the pandemic.
Who the fuck is Naomi Wu? Why should I care about what she said. And don't pretend you are not preaching the same snake oil as the MSM. You are too obvious and can't hide your true color.
I obviously don't claim the protestors and the critics of under-preparation are the same people. You fail to understand that the protestors and COVID Zero critics were a vocal minority and that most people have a fair amount of criticism for the government's level of preparation. Even Xi said that the protestors were mainly students and young people.
Many of them are the same people.
This is just about the only space I've found on the internet where people believe the death reporting is justifiable.
I care about deaths but I don't care about deaths reporting. When the US, India, and Singapore government reported their deaths, I knew they are lying. I did my research and rely upon excess deaths or other methods to make my own estimation of the true deaths tolls.
Justifiable or not, does it matter. Too young, too simple, and sometimes naive. All government would do similar things in order to minimize political damages as they would also downplay COVID severity in order to minimize panic.
Why do many members here are so strongly against reopening and ending COVID zero because we all knew that deaths are unavoidable. If you wanted to reopen, then that is the price you need to pay. There is no way around it. The difference isn't that much. Japan was a mess and still is a mess. Why do you think the Japanese government asked patients to stay home even with severe fever during the outbreak. Because no matter how prepared you are, the surge would still kill a lot of people and the health care system couldn't cope with such surge.
On Weibo the government death number is a frequent target of ridicule despite censorship. Do you seriously believe the government deserves no criticism? Such a mindset is similar to the Qing or modern-day Americans refusing to self-reflect and rejecting nearly all best practices from abroad just because they are associated with so-called heathens (i.e. barbarians or Communists).
I won't criticize the government for not reporting the deaths now because these number won't be accurate even if they tried and most likely won't be truthful. Instead of spending time to tally up such number and waste precious resources on such trivial matter. The government has better thing to do. However, I do think the Chinese should eventually go through all the deaths during this first major outbreak to tally up the COVID deaths with a more reasonable criteria.
I have many criticism. I just am not a whiner. I have foreseen the deaths before the reopening. It isn't something that could be avoided. Can the Chinese government do a better job? Of course, it can and it should. However, it doesn't mean that I don't see how difficult position that the Chinese government was in. There is no easy way out. It is damn if you do and damn if you don't situation. In addition, compare with other countries such as the West, the US, and India, the Chinese government has already done a tremendous good job in combating COVID. And I won't dismiss it just because the reopening isn't ideal or smooth.
