Coronavirus 2019-2020 thread (no unsubstantiated rumours!)

Quickie

Colonel
It doesn't matter. if you have enough cases and hospitals got overwhelmed and you would have more deaths. Hong Kong has average 10 deaths per day and Japan has over 100 deaths per day and the US has 300 deaths per day. It is just unavoidable no matter what.

I don't think it isn't unacceptable for hundreds deaths per day. A very bad flu season could kill as much. It is just people need to prepare for it that it is the price that needs to be paid.

It will be much fewer deaths (especially per capita) relative to Hong Kong and those countries since China is now more prepared in terms of vaccination (and possibly natural immunity on a much lesser scale). Most of the deaths in Hong Kong and these countries were when most of the population was unvaccinated.
 

KYli

Brigadier
It will be much fewer deaths (especially per capita) relative to Hong Kong and those countries since China is now more prepared in terms of vaccination (and possibly natural immunity on a much lesser scale). Most of the deaths in Hong Kong and these countries were when most of the population was unvaccinated.
There is a hope that China could avoid the catastrophic deaths like those in Hong Kong during last year Spring outbreak which were 8 thousands that could translate to 1.6 millions for China or the over 1 millions death like those in the America. However, China is unlikely to avoid a few hundreds deaths per day with both high vaccination and natural immunity after reopening even with restrictions. China simply has many times more population than other countries.
 

Quickie

Colonel
There is a hope that China could avoid the catastrophic deaths like those in Hong Kong during last year Spring outbreak which were 8 thousands that could translate to 1.6 millions for China or the over 1 millions death like those in the America. However, China is unlikely to avoid a few hundreds deaths per day with both high vaccination and natural immunity after reopening even with restrictions. China simply has many times more population than other countries.

Can only hope for the best.

The best case scenario would be if it turns out to be like the case in Cambodia which uses basically the same type of Covid vaccines, admittedly an entirely different country in terms of demography and city population density.
 

Bellum_Romanum

Brigadier
Registered Member
Speaking of Long Covid, here is the financial aspect of its damage:
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To be honest, the Chinese should have really emphasized this more than anything else.
There has been studies that were published earlier this year some of which I believed I already posted on this very thread some time ago pointing out this unfortunate reality. A financial and economic catastrophe that's largely been chosen to be ignored by the MSM and government leaders in the west that have chosen the approach of "See No Evil, Hear no Evil" largely due to the demand from the covid weary public aided and assisted by the many pseudo experts on the interweb propagating their crack pot theories, despite getting covid and dying from the virus themselves.

The study am referring about, was done by the Brookings Institute, estimating the health care costs and the overall economic costs to America. After carefully reading the study, I came to the sensible conclusion and understanding that China should hold out as best and as long as humanly possible, as well as acceptable for her people. To prevent as many people from getting the virus, vaccine or no vaccine, since vaccination itself does not guarantee any sort of bullet proof protection from the mystery and debilitating long term injury that's Long Covid.

Yet, despite these credible evidence and study that should lend support to what China is doing, the west almost in unison, along with the predictable lackeys, have been gaslighting and pressuring China to open up mentioning the usual laundry lists of talking points such as human rights and all that bull shit that only western sycophants, propagandists, selfish-individualists a.k.a. Ayn Rand nut bars (selfishness is a virtue) abound. Not to mention the usual suspects on this forum who spouts the same idiotic drivel without thinking the long term effect and affect to the country. Yes, people are frustrated and that's a natural reaction to expect nothing less simply dehumanizes the Chinese as inhuman. But the fact of the matter is the government exist for a reason; one of the government's core duties is to protect it's people from themselves. From their short sightedness, selfish interests, that would bring more harm than good to the vast majority of people.
 

Sinnavuuty

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@Sinnavuuty
That is from Guangzhou and this phenomenon seems to have occurred 10 days ago. However that Twitter account’s explanation of that “tent city” is false. According to this Weibo post:
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The people living in the tents were all released from quarantine but couldn’t go into an area that was closed off due to a Covid outbreak. So they had to stay in tents, which were donated, if there weren’t any other places that were able to accommodate them. In addition, those people are mainly migrant workers, not local residents.
You mentioned me, but the notification didn't appear.

What I argued I took from a Shanghai resident, I can't tell you if that was 10 days ago.
 

TK3600

Major
Registered Member
Here is a hot take, the protest is not meant to end 'zero covid'. It is meant to make China over commit on 'zero covid'.

Why do I think this? China is clearly in the process of slowly lifting the restrictions. There are tests of opening in shijiazhuang. There is large stockpiling of medicine and expansion of emergency care in hospital. There are state media speaking about opening. I think it is safe to say the government itself is looking to loosen up.

This protest and the subsequent counter protest muddy the water making people more supportive of restriction. Once government announce openning up there could be more voices against it.

Or perhaps I am overthinking it. It was just a sloppy protest.
 

Han Patriot

Junior Member
Registered Member
No, neither were the draconian lockdowns Chinese people faced over the last 6 months to a year. Where is the middle ground. For most Americans their lives are starting to return to prepandemic normal, and they are now in a better place than they were a year ago.
My friend, i am in China now, in Shanghai, the worst lockdown was in Shanghai for 2.5 months to 3 months. After that, there were no more draconian lockdowns except small affected areas. Even at its peak, less than 1% of China was under quarantine. The problem is not lockdown but inconveniences for migrant workers who want to travel home, whenever you come from a high infection area, you need to quarantine 5 days.
 

henrik

Senior Member
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Before, if the local government found 1 case and lockdown and test quickly, they could quickly extinguish covid cases within a few weeks. It is no longer possible to do so now due to the much more contagious feature of Omicron and much more cases all over the country and much less restricted quarantine requirements.

However, the new and less intrusive way to combat covid might not work that well. It could buy time for the government but I am doubtful it could prevent a massive outbreak. Both Hong Kong and Shanghai have failed to rein in the rapid spreading of covid. Even though you can blame HK and Shanghai government's deficiencies for the failure but I am very doubtful the outcome for other local governments would be much better.

Both Hong Kong and Shanghai did well in the situation. In the case of Shanghai, they didn't even have mRNA vaccines, even though Shanghai Fosun owns the rights in China region for Pfizer vaccines. You should contain covid by vaccine boosters, not by repeated testing.

People are now watching the World Cup in crowded stadiums, with no face masks at all. In China they still limit dining out.
 

KYli

Brigadier
Both Hong Kong and Shanghai did well in the situation. In the case of Shanghai, they didn't even have mRNA vaccines, even though Shanghai Fosun owns the rights in China region for Pfizer vaccines. You should contain covid by vaccine boosters, not by repeated testing.

People are now watching the World Cup in crowded stadiums, with no face masks at all. In China they still limit dining out.
Can you stop promoting mRNA vaccines? Your obsession with mRNA is annoying.

As for your nonsense about world cup crowds, it is the result of 1 millions deaths in the US and 2 millions deaths in EU. If you are so proud of it, be my guest. US still has 300 covid deaths per day. If you called this normal, then it is laughable.
 

henrik

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Can you stop promoting mRNA vaccines? Your obsession with mRNA is annoying.

As for your nonsense about world cup crowds, it is the result of 1 millions deaths in the US and 2 millions deaths in EU. If you are so proud of it, be my guest. US still has 300 covid deaths per day. If you called this normal, then it is laughable.

In the US, about 70% got two doses of vaccines. That is why they cannot contain covid. In China, they could have done much better with over 90% vaccinations with mRNA vaccines. All these repeated testing and strange lockdowns is not going to increase anti-bodies. You need more vaccine boosters.

University of Hong Kong has research showing 2 doses of mRNA vaccines are more effective than 3 doses of Sinovac.
Sinovac is still effective, but you need more boosters.
 
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