Coronavirus 2019-2020 thread (no unsubstantiated rumours!)

Petrolicious88

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And also what do you suggest people do
improve our innate immune system enough to completely prevent disease prey tell? Cause Id love to tell this to people.
All comes down to sleep management, stress reduction, proper nutrition, and exercise/movement. It's not rocket science. Tell that to all.

Complete disease prevention? But significant reduction in a number of modern diseases like hypertension, hyperlipidemia, heart disease, insulin resistance/diabetes, cancer, Covid severity and Long covid.
 

NiuBiDaRen

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MortyandRick

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All comes down to sleep management, stress reduction, proper nutrition, and exercise/movement. It's not rocket science. Tell that to all.

Complete disease prevention? But significant reduction in a number of modern diseases like hypertension, hyperlipidemia, heart disease, insulin resistance/diabetes, cancer, Covid severity and Long covid.
Yeah it's not that easy. A lot of diseases are due to genetics. It's a good sound bite to say it's not rocket science but the devil is in the details. For example whats good nutrition? Which diet do you use? What about supplements? How many servings of each type of food do we need? Which foods have been shown to be anti inflammatory?

What's good sleep? Some need 5 hours other need 9 hours. What about OSA, or RLS, or PLM affecting sleep. How do we treat that? Can nutrition alone prevent osteoporosis?

What's good exercise and movement? Tai Chi? Muscle strengthening? Isometric exercise or aerobic exercise? How much a day? What if patient can't do it because of osteoarthritis and joint pain? What does the research show?

So I would argue that it can be just as complicated as rocket science. There's no one size fits all. So no, telling that to people is not going to work.
 

Petrolicious88

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Yeah it's not that easy. A lot of diseases are due to genetics. It's a good sound bite to say it's not rocket science but the devil is in the details. For example whats good nutrition? Which diet do you use? What about supplements? How many servings of each type of food do we need? Which foods have been shown to be anti inflammatory?

What's good sleep? Some need 5 hours other need 9 hours. What about OSA, or RLS, or PLM affecting sleep. How do we treat that? Can nutrition alone prevent osteoporosis?

What's good exercise and movement? Tai Chi? Muscle strengthening? Isometric exercise or aerobic exercise? How much a day? What if patient can't do it because of osteoarthritis and joint pain? What does the research show?

So I would argue that it can be just as complicated as rocket science. There's no one size fits all. So no, telling that to people is not going to work.
Genetics loads the gun, environment pulls the trigger. If you are human then:

—Get 6-8 hours of sleep
—Eat fresh real foods, not processed foods. If you don’t know what that is, then eat foods that our grandparents used to eat before the invention of modern addictive and food chemicals.
—Moderate intensity exercise of 250 mins a week or around 35 min per day.
—Reduce stress. Whatever method works for you. Qi gong, yoga, jack off. Whatever.

Not rocket science. It’s a pretty a easy formula to follow across all ethnicity and most age groups.
 
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MortyandRick

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Genetics loads the gun, environment pulls the trigger. If you are human then:

—Get 6-8 hours of sleep
—Eat fresh real foods, not processed foods. If you don’t know what that is, then eat foods that our grandparents used to eat before the invention of modern addictive and food chemicals.
—Moderate intensity exercise of 250 mins a week or around 35 min per day.
—Reduce stress. Whatever method works for you. Qi gong, yoga, jack off. Whatever.

That’s it. It’s a pretty easy formula to follow.
No that's not. Our grand parents had less life expectancy than we do and more untreated diseases in general.
You didn't understand my prior post.

A "one size fits all" does not work and it's easier said than done. Have you ever seen patients to understand what they go through?

Some people sleep 8 hours but wake up unrefreshed and still tired. What should they do? You didn't answer my prior questions on RLS, PLM, OSA in regard to sleep.

WTH is real fresh food? Is beef or chicken real fresh food? Which grandparents diet should we follow? European grandparents? Chinese grandparents? Indian grandparents? They all have different diets. Many of our grandparents have osteoporosis and magnesium deficiency, vitamin B12 deficiency, should we follow that too?

What's moderately intense exercise? How high should the heart rate go ? How many calories should be burnt per exercise routine? You didn't even answer my prior questions on exercise.

Generalizations are easy to make but again the details are hard and unfortunately replying with the same generalized answers are not helpful.
 

Petrolicious88

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No that's not. Our grand parents had less life expectancy than we do and more untreated diseases in general.
You didn't understand my prior post.

A "one size fits all" does not work and it's easier said than done. Have you ever seen patients to understand what they go through?

Some people sleep 8 hours but wake up unrefreshed and still tired. What should they do? You didn't answer my prior questions on RLS, PLM, OSA in regard to sleep.

WTH is real fresh food? Is beef or chicken real fresh food? Which grandparents diet should we follow? European grandparents? Chinese grandparents? Indian grandparents? They all have different diets. Many of our grandparents have osteoporosis and magnesium deficiency, vitamin B12 deficiency, should we follow that too?

What's moderately intense exercise? How high should the heart rate go ? How many calories should be burnt per exercise routine? You didn't even answer my prior questions on exercise.

Generalizations are easy to make but again the details are hard and unfortunately replying with the same generalized answers are not helpful.
You want specific answers on what's moderate intensity exercise, if chicken and beef are real foods? I think we are debating for the sake of debating. So I'm stop here as not to derail the thread.
 

MortyandRick

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You want specific answers on what's moderate intensity exercise, if chicken and beef are real foods? I think we are debating for the sake of debating. So I'm stop here as not to derail the thread.
Yes we should stop but I wanted communicate just how unrealistic it is to give people such generalized sound bite advice and then think that if they did it, they will be fine. Same with covid. Just having a good lifestyle is not going to prevent getting covid or in many cases severe disease with covid or even long covid. The Chinese gov't has chosen to try and open up slowly and to them there may be very valid reasons.
 

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Frankly, I haven't been following Western MSM for quite awhile.

Almost half of America's COVID death was avoidable?

As many as 466,000 avoidable deaths​

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2 more deaths in Beijing over the weekend, like the first death, both were at least 87 years old. China will never be able to fully open if they can't improve vaccination rate in seniors.
Only 65% of people aged 80 and above have been inoculated against COVID-19
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These typical western media will always try to exaggerate things way beyond what it really is. At this stage and at the vaccination rate, there won't be a swamping of the hospitals.

The issue really is the level of fatalities the Chinese authority is willing to take. Amazingly, at the present moment, we've just started talking about single-digit fatalities (out of 30,000 or so symptomatic and asymptomatic infections throughout China.)
 
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