Coronavirus 2019-2020 thread (no unsubstantiated rumours!)

[Minm]

No offence to people outside of mainland China, but if a cave man can live in the open, rain, snow, wind and eat raw meat, so will you, or? The mainland Chinese can and are willing to afford that extra cost for warmth, safety, that's all. There is no need for "advice" or "concern" from outsiders.

No Thank You. China doesn't want shitty HK covid policies. There is a reason why HK-SZ borders still aren't fully open and won't be for a long time.

If China pursued the same path as Hong Kong, then it would be 1.4 million deaths within 3-4 months. Hong Kong outbreak during Chinese New Year has caused almost 8000 deaths which is roughly equal to 1.4 million for China.

However, China does closely monitor the situation in Hong Kong as it provides important insight of the virus and efficacy of new Chinese vaccines and effects of long covid. More importantly, China can trust the HK data as it is much more reliable as it is being monitored directly.

I never said that China should do what Hong Kong is doing now, that would cause a disaster. But Hong Kong is a good pilot study to see what happens in a winter with no restrictions. If it goes well, China can formulate a strategy for opening up. If it doesn't, zero covid will remain for longer. China has always used small regions for experiments, you can't gamble with the entire nation

I also believe spring 2023 probably won't happen, because nothing says that it will happen, If the Wang Huning meeting was true that would be interesting but for now it's just rumor. I haven't seen the confirmation.
The new vaccines are just at the beginning of being rolled out, and they will probably wait out and see how the virus will react in the west for more seasons. Spring 2024 more likely.

Probably start reducing restrictions in the Spring and then have full reopening in the summer. One of the least stupid things Boris Johnson did was to have his freedom day in July, when respiratory illnesses are less of an issue.

I'd expect them to make a plan for reopening starting in 2023, but only implement it if the new virus variants don't cause any health emergencies in Hong Kong or the West this winter. Regardless of when reopening happens, a booster campaign will be a good idea

 

[xlitter]

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Because of the fear of COVID-19, workers choose to leave! No one wants to get infected and get sick!

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[Bellum_Romanum]

They have received effective vaccines already? It looks like supply chain will leave China, due to these lockdowns.

Can't wait for that to happen, which is never. What's up with your doom and gloom almost nonsensical take on this particular virus and China's own policies with respect to their epidemic control?

I challenge you to provide any objective data that can replicate or has similar circumstances to China with respect to population size, dwelling density and size etc..that has come out better with less death, less infection, less effect from long-term Covid-19, and who's economic activity and growth has grown substantially to pre-pandemic level.

Last time I checked, all G-7 countries growth outlook are less than China for 2023 and they're going to suffer and are suffering from inflationary pressures due to their genius plan against Russia.

Perhaps, you ought to really ask yourself if you're not blinded by your own biases and personal views that don't quite match the realities on the ground you walk on.

 

[zhangjim]

These morons may spread covid thru out the country

You can't blame these poor people. Foxconn treats workers very harshly. They do not provide necessary protection for workers. The risk of infection is high, and people who do not work cannot get food.
The workers had no choice but to escape, so that people all over Henan spontaneously provided food for them on the highway.

 

[Bellum_Romanum]

You

You can see by yourself, I have seen some similar video on twitter. I don't know what's going on with dynamic covid 0 policy.

How many places in China that is experiencing similar type of resistance and or just fed up with the strict policies versus the people that are annoyed, but are somewhat resigned to the unfortunate, uncomfortable reality that Covid-19 is real, and there's no other alternative path except vaccination and living with Covid-19. But if that's the path they want to go, then people must accept the inevitable death that comes with it. We can't simply have it both ways.

There's no country that exist on this planet that's not having or experiencing difficulties when it comes to Covid-19.

The Chinese folks either get vaccinated again and again and must live with the very real possibility that some of their loved ones will die from the decision to open up plain and simple.

 

[zhangjim]

Because of the fear of COVID-19, workers choose to leave! No one wants to get infected and get sick!

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Some people think that this actually proves the bankruptcy of openness: private enterprises pay attention to economic benefits, and they don't care about how many people will die.
Any act of taking chances for economic benefit will lead to the worst result. Workers will not risk their lives for a small salary.
As a result, it is destined to become a famous scandal.

 

[tokenanalyst]

US disability among workers has skyrocketed in this pandemic and other countries in the West.
While I think that the Omicron variant is less dangerous than previous variants and Inhaled vaccines will boost vaccination rates faster than before, I still think there is no economic benefit on letting a virus rip through a population but if the Chinese are willing to abandon their zero Covid strategy they should be prepare to force people to work sick and censor the crap of the outbreak giving length jail times to leakers.

 

[zhangjim]

US disability among workers has skyrocketed in this pandemic and other countries in the West.
While I think that the Omicron variant is less dangerous than previous variants and Inhaled vaccines will boost vaccination rates faster than before, I still think there is no economic benefit on letting a virus rip through a population but if the Chinese are willing to abandon their zero Covid strategy they should be prepare to force people to work sick and censor the crap of the outbreak giving length jail times to leakers.

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So this time Foxconn's problem is a dangerous harbinger.
The jobs of hundreds of thousands of people are very attractive. The local government may resort to indulgence in order to save the distressed finance.
The whole thing is completely out of control, and Foxconn is under the jurisdiction of the provincial government.
However, the counties, cities and villages to which the workers belong have to organize their own personnel and vehicles to meet these workers on the expressway.

Strict disease prevention depends on strict management, but where is the management of Foxconn's factory?

Many people suspect that the actual situation of covid-19 has been deliberately concealed. The act of concealing information during the rainstorm disaster in 2021 makes people lack a sense of trust.

 

[manqiangrexue]

" Holloween in china "

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1586982176826208257

Regular day in USA:

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"1,020 people have been shot and killed by police in the past year"

You can see by yourself, I have seen some similar video on twitter.

Yeah, nobody needs the see the same video twice. He asked for context and you told him to see similar videos on your twitter.

I don't know what's going on with dynamic covid 0 policy.

Chinese people's lives are being saved while Westerners die by the millions.

 

[tokenanalyst]

Many people suspect that the actual situation of covid-19 has been deliberately concealed. The act of concealing information during the rainstorm disaster in 2021 makes people lack a sense of trust.

It has not been concealed, China testing capabilities far surpass the virus infection capabilities. giving China the unique ability to localize the response against the spread of this virus. While a village is maybe in lockdown to much of their residents inconvenience the entire country can function more or less normally.