Coronavirus 2019-2020 thread (no unsubstantiated rumours!)

manqiangrexue

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It has not been concealed, China testing capabilities far surpass the virus infection capabilities. giving China the unique ability to localize the response against the spread of this virus. While a village is maybe in lockdown to much of their residents inconvenience the entire country can function more or less normally.
This is what "many people" means when he claims it:
"persistent pattern of writing derailing posts across multiple threads in a manner, while also self professing multiple controversial posts as a reflection of this user's own opinions but trying to pass them off as if they are a widespread and widely held belief.
 

zhangjim

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It has not been concealed, China testing capabilities far surpass the virus infection capabilities. giving China the unique ability to localize the response against the spread of this virus. While a village is maybe in lockdown to much of their residents inconvenience the entire country can function more or less normally.
This has nothing to do with detection capability. Any perfect program needs to be executed by people. So far, no one can tell the specific number of patients at Foxconn, which is very strange in itself.
 

Quickie

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Because of the fear of COVID-19, workers choose to leave! No one wants to get infected and get sick!
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The workers are probably more worried about the lockdown and losing their freedom to go out for night/weekend entertainment than really getting sick from the infection. Covid symptoms for those youngsters especially the vaccinated ones are quite mild if symptomatic at all.
 

LawLeadsToPeace

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The workers are probably more worried about the lockdown and losing their freedom to go out for night/weekend entertainment than really getting sick from the infection. Covid symptoms for those youngsters especially the vaccinated ones are quite mild if symptomatic at all.
Based on what I have read, the workers were basically locked into the factory and forced to work even if someone was infected due to a closed loop system. They literally can’t go outside and are shoved into cramped locations in which infections can spread rapidly. Plus, the Foxconn factory can even implement curfews. The conditions are basically slave-like and absolutely unacceptable. Any human being with a sense of self-respect would leave rather than stay in that place.
 

LawLeadsToPeace

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Here is one of the articles I read that led to my observation:
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After enduring days of lock-in at Foxconn's vast facility in central China with 200,000 other workers, Yuan finally climbed the fences on Saturday night and escaped the complex, joining others fleeing what they feared was a widening Covid outbreak.

He walked through the night, keeping to a northerly route, towards his hometown of Hebi, every step taking him farther away from iPhone maker Foxconn's Zhengzhou plant, the Taiwan-based group's largest in mainland China.

"There were so many people on the road," Yuan told Reuters on Monday, declining to give his full name because of the matter's sensitivity.

After a Covid outbreak at a Foxconn factory in Zhengzhou, China, some workers chose to go home. Pictured here are the shuttle buses on Oct. 30, 2022.

After a Covid outbreak at a Foxconn factory in Zhengzhou, China, some workers chose to go home. Pictured here are the shuttle buses on Oct. 30, 2022.
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Since mid-October, Foxconn has been wrestling with a Covid-19 outbreak at its facility in Zhengzhou, the capital of Henan province in central China. Workers were locked in to stop the spread of the coronavirus to the outside world. Foxconn has repeatedly refrained from disclosing the caseload.

"We were shut in on Oct. 14, and we had to do endless PCR tests, and after about 10 days, we had to wear N95 masks and were given traditional Chinese medicine," said Yuan.

Whenever a positive or suspected case was found at a production line, there would be a public broadcast, but work would continue, he told Reuters.

"People would be called away in the middle of work, and if they don't show up the next day, that would mean they had been taken away," Yuan said.

Around 20,000 workers had been put in quarantine on-site, Yuan had heard, but he could not be sure how many were infected, as management did not publicize that information.

China typically isolates vast numbers of people considered close or even potential contacts of an infected person.

The world's second-largest economy continues to wage war on Covid with disruptive lockdowns, mass testing and quarantines while many other countries have chosen to live with the disease.

For companies with massive manufacturing campuses like Foxconn, that has meant keeping thousands of workers on-site in so-called "closed-loop" systems to keep their production lines running.

"Food for tens of thousands was merely left outside (of the quarantine buildings at the plant)," said a worker surnamed Li, 21.


Li, who is still at the plant, said she was planning to quit.

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supplier Foxconn said that reports that 20,000 staff had been diagnosed with Covid were false.

On Sunday afternoon, the company told Reuters in an emailed statement that workers were allowed to leave if they chose to.

Foxconn did not immediately respond to a Reuters request on Monday for further comment.

'Never go back'​

Disruptions from China's zero-COVID policies to commerce and industry have widened in October as cases escalated. Apart from the Foxconn lockdown, the Shanghai Disney Resort was shut from Monday to comply with counter-epidemic requirements, with visitors still inside.

For Yuan, matters came to a head when he heard that a housing complex for workers near his plant had been cordoned off by security on Friday, and that the plant itself was to go under a curfew the next day.

In a panic, Yuan decided to leave the next day, joining streams of other escaping workers. It was not immediately clear if a curfew was eventually imposed.

By Sunday morning, Yuan had hiked to the banks of the Yellow River, the northern boundary of Zhengzhou, where he was stopped 50 km (30 miles) short of Hebi by authorities from the city of Xinxiang on the other side.

"I'll never go back to Foxconn," said Yuan, who has since been transported to Hebi and put under quarantine.

"Zhengzhou has put a chill in my heart."
 

xlitter

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US disability among workers has skyrocketed in this pandemic and other countries in the West.
While I think that the Omicron variant is less dangerous than previous variants and Inhaled vaccines will boost vaccination rates faster than before, I still think there is no economic benefit on letting a virus rip through a population but if the Chinese are willing to abandon their zero Covid strategy they should be prepare to force people to work sick and censor the crap of the outbreak giving length jail times to leakers.

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omicron does a lot of damage. Not much attention to Japan here, but Japan's data is very telling, Japan as a developed country, rich in medical resources, high vaccination rate, but still can not stop the death!
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xlitter

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The workers are probably more worried about the lockdown and losing their freedom to go out for night/weekend entertainment than really getting sick from the infection. Covid symptoms for those youngsters especially the vaccinated ones are quite mild if symptomatic at all.
Not so, if you read the article carefully! There are hundreds of thousands of people living in foxconn park, and the factory is isolated from the city.

Another article about interviewing employees can show what employees are afraid of!

"There are still 26 people on our workshop line on October 28, and only 8 on the 31 days," she said, adding that in the eight foxconn dormitories, many employees wear masks when they sleep because they are afraid of infection.

Shen Ting decided to give up the money. "Now we do nucleic acid every day, and we have three meals a day. But what if the situation worsens? The more people who are infected and leave, the less confident we will be. At least we are quarantined in our hometown, under the control of the government, and guaranteed. "Shen Ting said.

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Bellum_Romanum

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According to the data this YouTube but a licensed Doctor Campbell from the U.K. is saying that the number of excess deaths have thus far exceeded what happened from the height of Covid-19? And the media seem intentionally disinterested in bringing this news to the public, perhaps it's due to a potential bad publicity to the vaccines.

 

getready

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Interesting if true, I can see why they would intentionally suppress that news.

however Campbell isn’t a doctor he is retired nurse who worked in emergency department. I think he spent time in India too so he sometimes uses studies from India. I mean it’s not a bad thing as long as the evidence is strong but I feel he can be biased against China and also tend to hype up some small studies just to make his point.
 
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