Coronavirus 2019-2020 thread (no unsubstantiated rumours!)

KYli

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People are weary of further lockdowns. The risk of another lockdown in Shenzhen or Chengdu is considerable given the nature of Omicron. And its going to keep on mutating as long as there are humans.
Without lockdowns, China would face a total collapse of hospitals for at least 3 months during the first wave. After that, China would have between 1600 to 3200 deaths per day depending if China could convince those elderly to be vaccinated and boosted.

Even Japan can't handle the surge of covid cases and need to turn away patients, China which has much less doctors and nurses per capita would fare much worse. Ending lockdowns would not provide much of boost for the economy either unless you give up all covid measures and no sick leave for workers.

I don't know why you guys think ending lockdowns would save the economy. In order to save the economy, you not only need to end lockdowns but at the same time you need to pretend covid is no more. Just like Biden announced, mission accomplished. No sick leave, no 5 days isolation, no testing, no hospitalizations unless you can't breath. Basically, you need to turn a blind eyes to those deaths and long covid.

Again, I would wait after this winter and spring to make another assessment if living with covid is really inevitable. But you need to know what prices need to be paid and accept that this is the price you are willing to pay. I just can't stand people keep claiming covid is just another cold.
 

tokenanalyst

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For every death of COVID (the omicron variant) there are like 150 critical cases, was even higher for the delta and other early variants, some of those survivors will be disable for life. What? Anybody here think that if a person get into a ventilator wont get scarred and will return to a normal life that easy?
I wonder if million people die in the United States how many people are disable for life in the U.S.? And what impact will that have?

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Abominable

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Looks like cases are going up in the west again. Testing is down to a low, in the UK hospitals no longer require testing for inpatient services. A classic way is when you see rich/famous people being positive as they still get tested.

As I'm expecting the west to lecture China any time soon on how they should stop their zero covid policy, I wonder how they are going to reconcile that with another epidemic.
 

Petrolicious88

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For every death of COVID (the omicron variant) there are like 150 critical cases, was even higher for the delta and other early variants, some of those survivors will be disable for life. What? Anybody here think that if a person get into a ventilator wont get scarred and will return to a normal life that easy?
I wonder if million people die in the United States how many people are disable for life in the U.S.? And what impact will that have?

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The vast majority of people with long covid are from: 1). People that refused vaccination, so they end up with more severe symptoms for longer periods, 2). People with preexisting conditions such as diabetes, hypertension, autoimmune diseases, cardiovascular diseases. These people are already unhealthy to begin with. Influenza or herpes and many other infections can cause long term problems for them.
 
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Abominable

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The vast majority of people with long covid are from: 1). People that refused vaccination, so they end up with more severe symptoms for longer periods, 2). People with preexisting conditions such as diabetes, hypertension, autoimmune diseases, cardiovascular diseases.
Bollocks. Vaccination rates in people with long covid are similar to the rest of the population.
 

Petrolicious88

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Bollocks. Vaccination rates in people with long covid are similar to the rest of the population.
Some studies suggest substantial protection, while other studies show only slight protection against long covid.

The United Kingdom’s Health Security Agency analysis of 8 published studies found that vaccinated people who became infected with the coronavirus were less likely than unvaccinated patients to develop symptoms of long Covid. 2 of the 8 studies found no major differences.

A large study done by the U.S Veterans Hospitals found only slight protection of 13% for those vaccinated against long covid. But U.S veterans are exactly the group that likely have a long list of preexisting conditions that range from PTSD to diabetes.
 

KYli

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本土病例114例 new symptomatic cases (Sichuan 四川41例 Guizhou 贵州42例 and Tibet 西藏13例 and Heilongjiang 黑龙江7例)

本土512例 new asymptomatic cases (Guizhou 贵州134例 and Tibet 西藏143例 and Heilongjiang 黑龙江109例 and Sichuan 四川26例 and Tianjin 天津10例 and Xinjiang 新疆9例)
 

badoc

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Support Zero Covid doesn't mean we enjoy being locked down.
Certainly a horrible experience that we do not wish upon ourselves.
It does not affect me too badly though, as I have walking problem and have my meals delivered.
Actually I benefited from all those extra Covid payouts by my government.

In an alternate universe, the whole world would be rooting for China, maybe not those adversely affected, with its huge effort and sacrifice in its zero Covid fight, instead of sour grapes, smearing and demonizing.
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56860

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People are weary of further lockdowns. The risk of another lockdown in Shenzhen or Chengdu is considerable given the nature of Omicron. And its going to keep on mutating as long as there are humans.
Since the pandemic started (almost 3 years ago as of this post), Shenzhen and Chengdu have undergone a combined 3 weeks of citywide lockdown.
 
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