Coronavirus 2019-2020 thread (no unsubstantiated rumours!)

Petrolicious88

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In a perfect world there would be an off the shelf medical solution and zero covid can be dropped, but we haven't reached that point yet. Until that happens we will unfortunately have to swallow economic losses. The human and economic cost of dropping zero covid would likely outweigh restrictions. Ask yourself how many working age people would drop out of the workforce either due to illness/death, or at the very least suffer declines in productivity. It's hard to accurately quantify but for a manufacturing powerhouse like China the loss would be massive.
It’s a political decision to maintain social stability and continuity until after the October Party congress. After that, we will see.
 

Jiang ZeminFanboy

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It’s a political decision to maintain social stability and continuity until after the October Party congress. After that, we will see.
Now nothing will change, autumn and then winter is for sure not the time to open, if they keep zero covid after spring 2023 which would be the time to open, then I believe I should change my projected date to 2030+ from 2027 when China will take over the USA as the nominal $ number one economy.
 

56860

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Now nothing will change, autumn and then winter is for sure not the time to open, if they keep zero covid after spring 2023 which would be the time to open, then I believe I should change my projected date to 2030+ from 2027 when China will take over the USA as the nominal $ number one economy.
US gdp is bloated with inflation and vaporware sectors like finance and insurance. China has by all the most important metrics overtaken US as the number 1 economy: largest manufacturing sector, largest GDP by PPP, largest trading partner of most countries. And it happened before covid was a thing.
 

Jiang ZeminFanboy

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US gdp is bloated with inflation and vaporware sectors like finance and insurance. China has by all the most important metrics overtaken US as the number 1 economy: largest manufacturing sector, largest GDP by PPP, largest trading partner of most countries. And it happened before covid was a thing.
And they can buy over the resources of others like big chunk of the Chinese trade surplus, Chinese entrepreneurs are very happy receiving the "worthless" dollars, meanwhile Chinese yuan and other much worse currencies like Polish złoty or Japan yen are sinking. It seems American hegemony is not as vaporware as people seem. Everything was going into the right direction for China until the lockdowns started appearing in more and more places at the beginning of the 2022, then the sinking of the yuan started with the Chinese economy tanking. 2022 will be the worst year for China in comparison to the rest of the world since 1989.
 

56860

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And they can buy over the resources of others like big chunk of the Chinese trade surplus, Chinese entrepreneurs are very happy receiving the "worthless" dollars, meanwhile Chinese yuan and other much worse currencies like Polish złoty or Japan yen are sinking. It seems American hegemony is not as vaporware as people seem. Everything was going into the right direction for China until the lockdowns started appearing in more and more places at the beginning of the 2022, then the sinking of the yuan started with the Chinese economy tanking. 2022 will be the worst year for China in comparison to the rest of the world since 1989.
America's primary economic strength lies in its position as the head honcho of a global alliance of the richest and most technologically advanced nations in the world. So no, the dollar is not "worthless" (a statement I have never made), but by itself it gets comfortably outproduced by China and that has been the case for a while now. For example, in industrial capacity China is greater than US + Japan + Germany.
 

56860

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That's because the previous variants produced more critical illness, they where more virulent than omicron and the delta variant hit really hard the U.S. These new variants still produce long covid but on a lesser scale, so that is why I am guessing that figure.

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Not to mention every time you get covid it's like rolling a die for it to turn into long covid. The more times you get infected, the more likely you are to end up with some sort of long term condition. Imagine you are median age in the US, somewhere around 40. If you get covid even once every other year that's a lot of opportunities to get fucked up. Imagine the poor kids rolling around in daycares that may as well be petri dishes at this point. I wonder what that many dice rolls would do to a body over time.
 

Chish

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This 0 covid policy is not sustainable. 10 years from now and Xi still haven't left China. 10 years from now China is still locking down cities left and right. It is a political decision by the CCP. CCP cannot handle anything that is not perfect. The world is not perfect. Democratic countries accept the fact the world is not perfect. Communist countries cannot accept the fact the world is not perfect. This is why Communist countries is said to be head strong.
The China zero covids policy has repeatedly been debated to death already. Let us not start it all over again.
Talking about not accepting facts: the West can't accept the fact that China has a different approach to control covids while the Chinese have no problems with the West of having their own methods of living with covids. The Chinese have never claimed to have or aim for a perfect solution and they never imposed their methods on others.
Good governance, not any particular political ideology, is required to solve this pandemic. The world is in a mess because countries across the world have implemented a range of policies based more on politics rather than science.
 

TongHua

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The China zero covids policy has repeatedly been debated to death already. Let us not start it all over again.
Talking about not accepting facts: the West can't accept the fact that China has a different approach to control covids while the Chinese have no problems with the West of having their own methods of living with covids. The Chinese have never claimed to have or aim for a perfect solution and they never imposed their methods on others.
Good governance, not any particular political ideology, is required to solve this pandemic. The world is in a mess because countries across the world have implemented a range of policies based more on politics rather than science.

For capitalist countries, profit comes before lives. For socialist countries, lives come before profit.
 
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