Coronavirus 2019-2020 thread (no unsubstantiated rumours!)

getready

Senior Member
There is no middle ground on this, it is either zero or mass infections, both require sacrifices, if they go for mass infections there will be a A LOT of deaths probably in the hundred of thousands, a million or three disable with long Covid AND the economy will still suffer because sick workers don't work, at that point even testing and publishing numbers will become irrelevant, they will have to censor everything to avoid public panic.
The other way is to do targeted Zero Covid, doing mass testing, you know, the only logical reason for keep testing for COVID. To avoid a mass infection event and to keep the economy in a functioning state.
Whatever they do, the shitty Western mainstream media is going criticize them anyways, so if they are gonna call you "evil" anyway at least let them call you "evil" for doing the right thing and at least we all can agree here that saving lives is the moral thing to do.
If Chinese let this virus spread in their territory the pandemic will be the day that the pandemic will be over, if China can't, nobody can't.
Yes agree, and I feel that we have gone over China zero covid policy ad nauseum in this forum. Not much point going over and over again why China govt is keeping this policy despite the western world not bothering. Omicron is still ravaging the world, nothing changed much since then. Besides China did make some tweaks to their measures on international arrivals. Just let the naysayers be. At some point, they will tire themselves out questioning why china still doing what China do.
 

getready

Senior Member
It seems like the updated pfizer and moderna vaccine coming out in September is designed for omicron. Anyone knows much about it?
Not sure if I should line up for it or wait a few month.
Would be funny if this deals with Omicron effectively and China rolls it out as a result, and walk away winners hands down.....
Omicron vaccine coming out in Sept for Australia too. Been approved recently, outside of UK and US, I think Aus is one of the first to approve it. I doubt many will get it though, partly cuz it's a new vaccine but also people just dun care anymore.
 

tokenanalyst

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US has up to 4 million people disabled due to long COVID. China has almost 4.5 times the population, that means “let-it-rip” will have 18 millions disabled.

That's because the previous variants produced more critical illness, they where more virulent than omicron and the delta variant hit really hard the U.S. These new variants still produce long covid but on a lesser scale, so that is why I am guessing that figure.

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daifo

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For the guys concern about China's zero covid policy, here are some stats from nearby east asian population that had near zero covid until Omicron. Is everyone okay with 500,000-2,000,000 death in China?

10,000 Hong Kongers died from covid. China has approx 200x the people. Potential 200 x 10,000 = 2,000,000 deaths.
30, 000 South Korean Deaths. Potential 30x 30,000 = 900,000 deaths.
40, 000 Japanese deaths. Potential 12 x 40,000 = 500, 000

Omicron is less deadly, but the fact is that population was also already culled over and over before Omicron arrived.
 

vincent

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That's because the previous variants produced more critical illness, they where more virulent than omicron and the delta variant hit really hard the U.S. These new variants still produce long covid but on a lesser scale, so that is why I am guessing that figure.

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Ya, but study has shown repeat infections increased the chance of long Covid and people are getting omicron over and over and over
 

KYli

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本土病例318例 new symptomatic cases (Sichuan 四川128例 and Tibet 西藏46例 and Hainan 海南27例 and Guangdong 广东55例 and Xinjiang 新疆4例 and Shaanxi 陕西8例)

本土1567例 new asymptomatic cases (Tibet 西藏575例 and Sichuan 四川77例 and Qinghai 青海125例 and Heilongjiang 黑龙江207例 and Hainan 海南75例 and Liaoning 辽宁114例 and Tianjin 天津32例 and Xinjiang 新疆34例 and Henan 河南46例 and Shaanxi 陕西5例 and Guangxi 广西8例)
 

56860

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Zero Covid will slowly ease after October.
A lot of people are propagating some version of Zero covid easing but I just don't see it.

With how infectious this virus is, you either do what China has done in the past 2 years or you say fuck it and let it run wild. There is no middle ground. Half-measures are tantamount to no measures in the sense that both are insufficient in preventing spread. Hence I cannot see an easing of zero covid.
 

56860

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The only way to beat this virus is to develop a silver bullet from the medical standpoint. This task is of the upmost importance, more important than EUV for semiconductors and 095 subs for defense because as long as zero covid persists, China's economic growth will be substantially muted.
 
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