Coronavirus 2019-2020 thread (no unsubstantiated rumours!)

[siegecrossbow]

Viral interference. Influenza is very greedy.

Does this mean you can't get Covid if you have the flu?

 

[Yommie]

Does this mean you can't get Covid if you have the flu?

You can but it is rare. Usually if you have flu and covid at the same time the amount of covid is so small you won't test positive for it. Usually in winter around January and February when flu is highest covid goes into a sharp dive before recovering in April when flu is gone until next season.

 

[getready]

From the leading multidisciplinary science journal/magazine NATURE has recently published their findings on China's dynamic covid policy/strategy. I won't interpret the study to support my own opinion, am just going to publish the abstract comment and then the link to the entire study.

Abstract​

Having adopted a dynamic zero-COVID strategy to respond to SARS-CoV-2 variants with higher transmissibility since August 2021, China is now considering whether and for how long this policy can remain in place. The debate has thus shifted towards the identification of mitigation strategies for minimizing disruption to the healthcare system in the case of a nationwide epidemic. To this aim, we developed an age-structured stochastic compartmental susceptible-latent-infectious-removed-susceptible (SLIRS) model of SARS-CoV-2 transmission calibrated on the initial growth phase for the 2022 Omicron outbreak in Shanghai, to project COVID-19 burden (i.e., number of cases, patients requiring hospitalization and intensive care, and deaths) under hypothetical mitigation scenarios. The model also considers age-specific vaccine coverage data, vaccine efficacy against different clinical endpoints, waning of immunity, different antiviral therapies, and non-pharmaceutical interventions. We find that the level of immunity induced by the March 2022 vaccination campaign would be insufficient to prevent an Omicron wave that would result in exceeding critical care capacity with a projected intensive care unit peak demand of 15.6-times the existing capacity and causing approximately 1.55 million deaths. However, we also estimate that protecting vulnerable individuals by ensuring accessibility to vaccines and antiviral therapies, and maintaining implementation of non-pharmaceutical interventions could be sufficient to prevent overwhelming the healthcare system, suggesting that these factors should be points of emphasis in future mitigation policies.

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That study should be viral on all the whiny expat and China watchers twitter communities but sadly they are deliberately ignoring it.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1524050859054616576

 

[solarz]

The problem is that every time there is an outbreak in a big city the Chinese goverment will not feel confident on taking less stringent approaches to COVID knowing that this people are unvaccinated, will make the vast majority of deaths and will drain live saving treatment from breakthrough infections in vaccinated people. So lockdowns would be the most sensible options for the foreseeable future.
Another option could be to lockdown the unvaccinated until the outbreak subsides.

You forget that the earlier the lockdown, the shorter the disruption.

 

[solarz]

Does this mean you can't get Covid if you have the flu?

You're really going to believe what the tidalwave alt is saying?

Of course you can get both.

 

[tokenanalyst]

You forget that the earlier the lockdown, the shorter the disruption.

I was talking when something like the outbreak in Shanghai happens when a 700K+ got infected (probably because a lot of people hid their symptoms to avoid being send to an isolation ward.)

 

[getready]

I mean it's already established during covid we saw a drastic decrease in flu cases reported. There are a few factors behind it but I presume getting both at same time or one after another is possible but uncommon.

 

[getready]

Ahh Sweden, the country who sacrificed their elders and Western mainstream don't give a single damn.

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Swedes can be very stubborn people and high on their morality horse. I know this Swedish guy on a forum who would still defend to the death that their strategy was most effective and humane. Even though acknowledging that while their gov didn't enforce lockdowns,, some of the citizens were wise enough to limit their social gathering. if they really were dumb enough to believe, their gov, the numbers infected would be even higher.

 

[solarz]

I was talking when something like the outbreak in Shanghai happens when a 700K+ got infected (probably because a lot of people hid their symptoms to avoid being send to an isolation ward.)

Well that's because Shanghai didn't lock down early.

 

[solarz]

I mean it's already established during covid we saw a drastic decrease in flu cases reported. There are a few factors behind it but I presume getting both at same time or one after another is possible but uncommon.

That's just because it's just assumed to be covid. Remember nobody ever tested for the flu, we only ever went with symptoms, which happens to be exactly like covid.