Coronavirus 2019-2020 thread (no unsubstantiated rumours!)

Equation

Lieutenant General
You can say what you like about Mao's ability to run a country but he really does have prescient visions when it comes to this sort of thing. Three years after he wrote this Pearl Harbour happened, fulfilling condition 2 in his prediction and then things turned out exactly how he predicted. I bet Taliban spent a lot of time studying this book judging by their performance in the last 20 years, particularly the events of last year.

Getting back on COVID, just as in his time today we also have "lie flat" defeatists, but rest assure most people in China look down upon such defeatist thinking and the case of Hong Kong and Shanghai are decidedly considered to be negative examples. No one is saying in public "let's give the Shanghai strategy another try."

The current big outbreak in Taiwan will also reinforce the need for dynamic zero strategy. One wonders what public sentiment will be in RoC towards DPP once people start to see daily 3 digit deaths.
You can bet for sure their propaganda will blame it on the PRC for spreading and causing ALL of their covid problems.
 

Coalescence

Senior Member
Registered Member
The reality is, you can't trust any numbers coming out of West, Vietnam, even China. The pandemic will end when the govt wants it to end. It's become politicized unfortunately.
Also add that many countries started reducing testing, having different or changing classifications for covid infections. Some of the countries pushing for more at-home testing may not have accurate numbers, because those tested positive could have not reported it to the officials.
 

KYli

Brigadier
I would only look into South Korea and New Zealand to make a fair assessment of covid deaths. Both countries have mass testing and don't have the political pressure to under report any deaths. Both countries indicate with high vaccination rate, the percentage of death from infection is 0.13%. Any countries that have much lower death rate than these two countries either have relative young population like Cambodia or higher vaccination rate like UAE.

Vietnam doesn't have much higher vaccination than South Korea and only a slightly lower median age. However, I won't dismiss Vietnam data totally. Vietnam has two big waves of delta covid surge before the Omicron wave. For the two delta waves which resulted in 40,000 deaths from Aug to Feb, these two waves of delta and the subsequent Omicron wave(from early Feb to late March) didn't give Vietnam much of a break. So damages from Omicron were not as bad as other countries, but Vietnam still has a few thousands death due to Omicron wave.
 

KYli

Brigadier
I won't dismiss Beijing wouldn't have a lock down like Shenzhen. As Shenzhen covid cases had stubbornly refused to go down after many rounds of mass testings. But comparing Beijing with Shanghai is just a scare monger. Beijing unlike Shanghai has mass testing and relative good idea how widespread the virus is.

Both Hong Kong and Shanghai failed due to both cities don't have mass testing. Hong Kong and Shanghai both used targeted approach and piecemeal tightening restrictions to fight covid. By the time they realized or accepted that virus went out of control, it is too late for them.
 
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