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KYli

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I just want to post this article to say covid isn't a cold or flu even after vaccination. Vaccines would mitigate most of the hospitalizations and deaths but covid would still kill more people than a cold or flu does every year.
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Covid deaths no longer overwhelmingly among unvaccinated as toll on elderly grows

WASHINGTON — Unvaccinated people accounted for the overwhelming majority of deaths in the United States throughout much of the coronavirus pandemic. But that has changed in recent months, according to a Washington Post analysis of state and federal data.

The pandemic's toll is no longer falling almost exclusively on those who chose not to get shots, with vaccine protection waning over time and the elderly and immunocompromised - who are at greatest risk of succumbing to covid-19, even if vaccinated - having a harder time dodging increasingly contagious strains.

The vaccinated made up 42% of fatalities in January and February during the highly contagious omicron variant's surge, compared with 23% of the dead in September, the peak of the delta wave, according to nationwide data from the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention analyzed by The Post. The data is based on the date of infection and limited to a sampling of cases in which vaccination status was known.

As a group, the unvaccinated remain far more vulnerable to the worst consequences of infection - and are far more likely to die - than people who are vaccinated, and they are especially more at risk than people who have received a booster shot.
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"It's still absolutely more dangerous to be unvaccinated than vaccinated," said Andrew Noymer, a public health professor at the University of California at Irvine who studies covid-19 mortality. "A pandemic of - and by - the unvaccinated is not correct. People still need to take care in terms of prevention and action if they became symptomatic."

A key explanation for the rise in deaths among the vaccinated is that covid-19 fatalities are again concentrated among the elderly.

Nearly two-thirds of the people who died during the omicron surge were 75 and older, according to a Post analysis, compared with a third during the delta wave. Seniors are overwhelmingly immunized, but vaccines are less effective and their potency wanes over time in older age groups.

Experts say they are not surprised that vaccinated seniors are making up a greater share of the dead, even as vaccine holdouts died far more often than the vaccinated during the omicron surge, according to the CDC. As more people are infected with the virus, the more people it will kill, including a greater number who are vaccinated but among the most vulnerable.

The bulk of vaccinated deaths are among people who did not get a booster shot, according to state data provided to The Post. In two of the states, California and Mississippi, three-quarters of the vaccinated senior citizens who died in January and February did not have booster doses. Regulators in recent weeks have authorized second booster doses for people over the age of 50, but administration of first booster doses has stagnated.

Even though the death rates for the vaccinated elderly and immunocompromised are low, their losses numbered in the thousands when cases exploded, leaving behind blindsided families. But experts say the rising number of vaccinated people dying should not cause panic in those who got shots, the vast majority of whom will survive infections. Instead, they say, these deaths serve as a reminder that vaccines are not foolproof and that those in high-risk groups should consider getting boosted and taking extra precautions during surges.

"Vaccines are one of the most important and longest-lasting tools we have to protect ourselves," said California State Epidemiologist Erica Pan, citing state estimates showing vaccines have shown to be 85% effective in preventing death.

"Unfortunately, that does leave another 15," she said.

Arianne Bennett recalled her husband, Scott Bennett, saying, "But I'm vaxxed. But I'm vaxxed," from the Washington hospital bed where he struggled to fight off covid-19 this winter.

Friends had a hard time believing Bennett, co-founder of the Washington-based chain Amsterdam Falafelshop, was 70. The adventurous longtime entrepreneur hoped to buy a bar and planned to resume scuba-diving trips and 40-mile bike rides to George Washington's Mount Vernon estate.

Bennett went to get his booster in early December after returning to Washington from a lodge he owned in the Poconos, where he and his wife hunkered down for fall. Just a few days after his shot, Bennett began experiencing covid-19 symptoms, meaning he was probably exposed before the extra dose of immunity could kick in. His wife suspects he was infected at a dinner where he and his server were unmasked at times.

A fever-stricken Bennett limped into the hospital alongside his wife, who was also infected, a week before Christmas. He died Jan. 13, among the 125,000 Americans who succumbed to covid-19 in January and February.

"He was absolutely shocked. He did not expect to be sick. He really thought he was safe,'" Arianne Bennett recalled. "And I'm like, 'But baby, you've got to wear the mask all the time. All the time. Up over your nose.'"

Jason Salemi, an epidemiologist at the University of South Florida College of Public Health, said the deaths of vaccinated people are among the consequences of a pandemic response that emphasizes individuals protecting themselves.

"When we are not taking this collective effort to curb community spread of the virus, the virus has proven time and time again it's really good at finding that subset of vulnerable people," Salemi said.

While experts say even the medically vulnerable should feel assured that a vaccine will probably save their lives, they should remain vigilant for signs of infection. As more therapeutics become available, early detection and treatment is key.

When Wayne Perkey, 84, first started sneezing and feeling other cold symptoms in early February, he resisted his physician daughter's plea to get tested for the coronavirus.

The legendary former morning radio host in Louisville had been boosted in October. He diligently wore a mask and kept his social engagements to a minimum. It must have been the common cold or allergies, he believed. Even the physician who ordered a chest X-ray and had no coronavirus tests on hand thought so.

Perkey relented, and the test came back positive. He didn't think he needed to go to the hospital, even as his oxygen levels declined.

"In his last voice conversation with me, he said, 'I thought I was doing everything right,'" recalled Lady Booth Olson, another daughter, who lives in Virginia. "I believe society is getting complacent, and clearly somebody he was around was carrying the virus. ... We'll never know."

From his hospital bed, Perkey resumed a familiar role as a high-profile proponent for vaccines and coronavirus precautions. He was familiar to many Kentuckians who grew up hearing his voice on the radio and watched him host the televised annual Crusade for Children fundraiser. He spent much of the pandemic as a caregiver to his ex-wife who struggled with chronic fatigue and other long-haul covid symptoms.

"It's the 7th day of my Covid battle, the worst day so far, and my anger boils when I hear deniers talk about banning masks or social distancing," Perkey wrote on Facebook on Feb. 16, almost exactly one year after he posted about getting his first shot. "I remember times we cared about our neighbors."

In messages to a family group chat, he struck an optimistic note. "Thanks for all the love and positive energy," he texted on Feb. 23. "Wear your mask."

As is often the case for covid-19 patients, his condition rapidly turned for the worse. His daughter Rebecca Booth, the physician, suspects a previous bout with leukemia made it harder for his immune system to fight off the virus. He died March 6.

"Really and truly his final days were about, 'This virus is bad news.' He basically was saying: 'Get vaccinated. Be careful. But there is no guarantee,'" Rebecca Booth said. "And, 'If you think this isn't a really bad virus, look at me.' And it is."

Hospitals, particularly in highly vaccinated areas, have also seen a shift from covid wards filled predominantly with the unvaccinated. Many who end up in the hospital have other conditions that weakens the shield afforded by the vaccine.

Gregory Marelich, chair of critical care for the 21 hospitals in that system, said most of the vaccinated and boosted people he saw in ICUs were immunosuppressed, usually after organ transplants or because of medications for diseases such as lupus or rheumatoid arthritis.

"I've cared for patients who are vaccinated and immunosuppressed and are in disbelief when they come down with covid," Marelich said.

Jessica Estep, 41, rang a bell celebrating her last treatment for follicular lymphoma in September. The single mother of two teenagers had settled into a new home in Michigan, near the Indiana border. After her first marriage ended, she found love again and got married in a zoo in November.

As an asthmatic cancer survivor, Estep knew she faced a heightened risk from covid-19, relatives said. She saw only a tight circle of friends and worked in her own office in her electronics repair job. She lived in an area where around 1 in 4 residents are fully vaccinated. She planned to get a booster shot in the winter.

With Michigan battling back-to-back surges of the delta and omicron variants, Jessica Estep wasn't able to dodge the virus any longer - she fell ill in mid-December. After surviving a cancer doctors described as incurable, Estep died Jan. 27. Physicians said the coronavirus essentially turned her lungs into concrete, her mother said.
 

KYli

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Now it is the best time to convince those reluctant elderly in Shanghai to get vaccinated. Otherwise, after the lock down is over, these elderly would probably feel safe again and hard to persuade for vaccination.
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Another word Beijingers think people in Shanghai are spoiled.
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“The government will be prepared,” says Ms. Wang. “We have so many hospitals and makeshift hospitals, so even if something bad happens, we have the ability to solve the problem.”

Beijing’s culture is also an asset, she says, stressing that Beijingers pride themselves on civic-mindedness. “People in Beijing can sacrifice,” she says. “Trust Beijing.”

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China top medical expert laid down conditions for reopening.
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China’s Covid ‘Triumph’ Will Rely on Vaccines, Drugs, Mild Variants, Top Expert Says

(Bloomberg) -- China’s Covid Zero policy is buying time for the country to bolster measures that will allow it to declare victory over the virus, according to a top expert. The country must boost immunization rates among the elderly and vulnerable from current levels, and ensure it has ample medical resources like hospital beds and antiviral pills, Liang Wannian, the head of the National Health

The country must boost immunization rates among the elderly and vulnerable from current levels, and ensure it has ample medical resources like hospital beds and antiviral pills, Liang Wannian, the head of the National Health Commission expert panel, said at a briefing in Beijing on Friday. The strategy will be helped if future variants come with a lower risk of death, he said.

The priorities laid out by Liang, a seasoned epidemiologist who has led China’s Covid response since day one, is the clearest indication yet of what it would take for the country to start shifting its virus-fighting strategy.

China is ramping up efforts to quash its worst outbreak since the early days of the pandemic with the virus spreading to Beijing and
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, two of its most significant cities. But measures like harsh lockdowns and mass testing that have effectively stamped out previous flareups are faltering in the face of omicron and taking an increasing economic and social toll.

“We will triumph over Covid by using the time that the ‘dynamic zero’ approach has given us and make these preparations,” Liang said. If China shifted away from the approach before the country was ready, the health-care system would be overwhelmed, the wellbeing of vulnerable groups would be threatened, and the economy would be impacted, he said.
 

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China top medical expert laid down conditions for reopening.
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China’s Covid ‘Triumph’ Will Rely on Vaccines, Drugs, Mild Variants, Top Expert Says

(Bloomberg) -- China’s Covid Zero policy is buying time for the country to bolster measures that will allow it to declare victory over the virus, according to a top expert. The country must boost immunization rates among the elderly and vulnerable from current levels, and ensure it has ample medical resources like hospital beds and antiviral pills, Liang Wannian, the head of the National Health

The country must boost immunization rates among the elderly and vulnerable from current levels, and ensure it has ample medical resources like hospital beds and antiviral pills, Liang Wannian, the head of the National Health Commission expert panel, said at a briefing in Beijing on Friday. The strategy will be helped if future variants come with a lower risk of death, he said.

The priorities laid out by Liang, a seasoned epidemiologist who has led China’s Covid response since day one, is the clearest indication yet of what it would take for the country to start shifting its virus-fighting strategy.

China is ramping up efforts to quash its worst outbreak since the early days of the pandemic with the virus spreading to Beijing and
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, two of its most significant cities. But measures like harsh lockdowns and mass testing that have effectively stamped out previous flareups are faltering in the face of omicron and taking an increasing economic and social toll.

“We will triumph over Covid by using the time that the ‘dynamic zero’ approach has given us and make these preparations,” Liang said. If China shifted away from the approach before the country was ready, the health-care system would be overwhelmed, the wellbeing of vulnerable groups would be threatened, and the economy would be impacted, he said.

Unless we come up with some kind of miracle drug for COVID, I don't see how any amount of time can prepare the health system to handle covid outbreaks without going back to total lockdowns.
 

KYli

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Unless we come up with some kind of miracle drug for COVID, I don't see how any amount of time can prepare the health system to handle covid outbreaks without going back to total lockdowns.
Taiwan refused to admit patients with high fever so its hospitals never got overwhelmed. It is a strategy that employed by many countries including the West, Japan and South Korea.

Don't think China could refuse service. So sendng most patients to makeshift hospitals to monitor them is the only way to alleviate the stress of the healthcare system.
 

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Now it is the best time to convince those reluctant elderly in Shanghai to get vaccinated. Otherwise, after the lock down is over, these elderly would probably feel safe again and hard to persuade for vaccination.
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Another word Beijingers think people in Shanghai are spoiled.
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“The government will be prepared,” says Ms. Wang. “We have so many hospitals and makeshift hospitals, so even if something bad happens, we have the ability to solve the problem.”

Beijing’s culture is also an asset, she says, stressing that Beijingers pride themselves on civic-mindedness. “People in Beijing can sacrifice,” she says. “Trust Beijing.”

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As a Shanghainese, I know almost all stereotypes against Shanghainese inside China. I resent most of them when I was living there. But this time, Shanghai (the city, the gov, the people) royally fvcked up its covid prevention. Now the rest of China is having its field day laughing at Shanghai. Covid Zero is the only way in China. Those shitheads back home seemed to be carried away.
 

solarz

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Taiwan refused to admit patients with high fever so its hospitals never got overwhelmed. It is a strategy that employed by many countries including the West, Japan and South Korea.

Don't think China could refuse service. So sendng most patients to makeshift hospitals to monitor them is the only way to alleviate the stress of the healthcare system.

Sure, if you just let people die, then you won't have to deal with the issue. However, that's not going to work for China.
 

solarz

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As a Shanghainese, I know almost all stereotypes against Shanghainese inside China. I resent most of them when I was living there. But this time, Shanghai (the city, the gov, the people) royally fvcked up its covid prevention. Now the rest of China is having its field day laughing at Shanghai. Covid Zero is the only way in China. Those shitheads back home seemed to be carried away.

I blame Zhang Wenhong. My parents keep sending me videos of that loudmouth, seems like he was something of a local celebrity in Shanghai.
 
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