Coronavirus 2019-2020 thread (no unsubstantiated rumours!)

Han Patriot

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mRNA is a good technology and there is no denial over that. The Chinese government should pursue and invest in mRNA. However, Zhong Nanshan's article is written in Feb which is before the publish of the Hong Kong report regarding the effectiveness of three doses of Sinovac which has been proven to be very effective against severe cases and deaths. So the need of mRNA vaccines is no more.

The thing is an attempt to enforce vaccination suggests by Zhong NanShan might not be viable. Only Greece and Austria are mandating their seniors or adults to be fully vaccinated with threatening of fines. And they are giving people months to do it and might be an empty threat anyway.

A part of the article has already been released a month or two ago in China without any controversy. ABut timing of the release of the full article right now is bad, China is in the middle of an outbreak that requires a full cooperation of its citizens in order to beat back the virus.

China already have MRNA tech, but I think they are very concerned about anything genetically modified. China does not allow GMO food crops until today.
 

Shadow_Whomel

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I received my government gift bag on April 15 with a pineapple at the bottom, and it was very sweet.
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The gift pack I received on April 17 had soy sauce and paper, which was very thoughtful.
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My dinner yesterday, 180 RMB worth of KFC, which normally should be 100 RMB at most. Interestingly it came with not Pepsi but Coca-Cola, so maybe there is still some problem with the logistics.
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I also received a gift bag yesterday but I didn't take a picture. I don't know if it's a good thing that I still receive gift bags because I read on Twitter that some districts without cases are starting to have restaurants open. They can eat roasted lamb run by Uyghurs!!! I'm really craving something heavy with cumin and chili right now.
 

Phead128

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The thing is an attempt to enforce vaccination suggests by Zhong NanShan might not be viable.
How are forced lockdowns more viable than forced vaccinations? You should do both if you are serious about saving lives.
Only Greece and Austria are mandating their seniors or adults to be fully vaccinated with threatening of fines.
Two countries mandating forced vaccinations. China should be the third! Vaccines are proven to save lives.
 

Quickie

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Based on the table posted by Kyli, the triple jab Sinovac looks to be better than that of Pfizer in preventing fatality.

One would expect the last column to be the average of the preceding columns but it's not.

If one were to average out the fatality rates of the different age groups, the triple jabs fatality rate for Sinovac, at 0.148%, is actually better than Pfizer, at 0.164%, by about 10%.

The 0.04% fatality rate figure, I believe, refers to the fatality rate of triple-jabbed people, including those uninfected, in the population so far.

It's kind of misleading to use this type of figure, instead, at the end of the columns, if you're comparing the efficacies of 2 types of vaccines, as it doesn't take into account the imbalance in the type of vaccination used between the younger and older age groups.

Just to be clear, I didn't include the age groups of <3 and 3-11 because of the lack of data for Pfizer.
 

KYli

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How are forced lockdowns more viable than forced vaccinations? You should do both if you are serious about saving lives.

Two countries mandating forced vaccinations. China should be the third! Vaccines are proven to save lives.
If you forced elderly to vaccinate especially those with long-term diseases, then you would expect their relatives to blame the government if these elderly passed away within months of vaccination. China has a lot of issues deal with such blame game and demand for compensation from relatives of deceased trying to extort money from hospitals.

Besides, many provinces have reach or close to 90% vaccination rate already. It is just a few such as Shanghai has a low vaccination rate. It just takes time to do it and more time to get them boosted. That's why I say China needs at least another six months to meet the minimum requirements for reopen.

Looks personally l am not against forced vaccination as if 100% of elderly vaccinated and boosted, then we should have lower mortality rate than 0.09%. But it is a very controversial issue that goes beyond a lock down of few weeks.
 

KYli

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That is true. Chinese government is generally very conservative when it comes to food and medicine.

However, the two early mRNA candidates also didn't perform as well and needs more works. And I don't think China has totally ruled out mRNA as it has encouraged more firms to develop such vaccines.
 

Phead128

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If you forced elderly to vaccinate especially those with long-term diseases, then you would expect their relatives to blame the government if these elderly passed away within months of vaccination.
For the 0% chance of death post-vaccine (according to Chinese RCT data), compared to 20% chance of death post-COVID infection if you are elderly comorbid, then choice is no brainer. Give exemptions for special cases (e.g., allergy to COVID vaccine), but the majority of 10% unvaxxed population, they are not special cases, they are voluntarily avoiding vaccination based on beliefs/attitudes/knowledge deficits. Strict lockdowns need to be accompanied by strict vaccination (with exemptions for special cases).
 
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