Coronavirus 2019-2020 thread (no unsubstantiated rumours!)

supercat

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Phead128 said:
I find it ironic that Chinese govt would force lockdowns/quarantine but would not force vaccination on everyone, particularly among elderly people most likely to die. Why isn't the vaccination rate 100%?

This was HK's mistake, almost all 9000 deaths were elderly people without vaccination.
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China must keep the zero-COVID policy until the vaccination rate in senior citizens is sufficiently high.

Situation in Shanghai:
https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1513387491776413699
 
Bellum_Romanum

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Indiefunda said:
However, Omicron is a joke. Yes there will be dead old-weak people but it's not a lie or a western trick that Chinese economy will get into recession if they don't manage to contain shortly and effectively Covid and at the same time make sure Omicron won't make a new wave after a couple of weeks/months(impossible?). The pain on the economy from lockdowns is far far worse than the pain from Omicron. Just look at the Chinese PMIs, crashing hard. (Delta was a completely different beast).

The easiest way out of this is to make vaccination mandatory for people over 75, open the economy, let it spread and then problems are solved. Living in Norway I can assure you that we have no pressure on our hospitals, even though we still have dead old people with Omicron, but really just a few, nothing more than the usual actually if you see the excess deaths statistics. No masks, no measures and the economy is booming! There is no hidden truth and tricks and I really wish all the best for the Chinese people. China is amazing, they manage to mass-test a whole city on a single day, it's really easy for them to vaccinate all these needed and then let is spread.

Btw, European industry is really struggling with high gas prices and costs and now is the time for the Chinese industry to get the whole pie. It's a reality that you order a new Mercedes today and you get it delivered after several months! It would be amazing if Nio, Xpeng, Saic that already are here, could replace all these orders with readily available ones. But I just read that NIO closed it's ONLY factory. I hope you get what I mean.
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Indiefunda said:
Living in Norway I can assure you that we have no pressure on our hospitals, even though we still have dead old people with Omicron, but really just a few, nothing more than the usual actually if you see the excess deaths statistics. No masks, no measures and the economy is booming! There is no hidden truth and tricks and I really wish all the best for the Chinese people. China is amazing, they manage to mass-test a whole city on a single day, it's really easy for them to vaccinate all these needed and then let is spread.
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What's the population density, size, housing of Norway? Your country's whole population is less than 6 million while the city of Shanghai area is around 25 million so what you're asking/demanding for China to do can't, won't work. Apples and oranges in terms of comparison which is why I have to assume your comments show you ain't Chinese. What works for your country do not automatically means it'll work for China. As for your concern with respect to the economy, I can only LOL in terms of the absurdity of this comment judging from the preceding results these past 2 years. The record of Chinese economic performance speaks for itself and has done wonders compare to any European countries including Norway.

The changes can and must only come from the Chinese experts recommendations, and not from the outsiders who's main focus is to derail the country in whatever way possible. So your concern isn't duly noted.
 
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taxiya

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ILikeChina said:
lol, for unvaccinated people 1-50 years omicron is almost like flu just a little worse. For vaccinated this range is increasing to 70 years. People which are 80+ years are over their average life expectancy so they might die soon even without the flu or covid.


The pandemic is over. In April 2022 going with lockdowns is only a political decision, that destroys the economy, and I speculate that going with this kind of policy in 2022 might prevent some deaths from covid, but deaths might increase from other factors, like a bad economy, or not healing other illnesses.
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Are you going to say the same thing if (or when) you are over 80 and facing a pandemic in the future? Do you have parents or grandparents who are over 80 years old? Or you want to get rid of them ASAP? Suggesting that people over 80 "deserve" to die is very barbaric. The only times in human history that I am aware of such attitude were Spartans killing their unfit babies, vikings killing their elders and Nazis killing their disabled. I can NOT imagine that in 2022 I am still hearing this.

China doing locking-down because we love our parents. I don't think any other people can match Chinese in this regard. That desire is translated into our policy. Yes it is political decision, why is politics wrong? Let me tell you this, "freedom in the west is crap, individualism is crap, a strong government is great, society should act as ONE."
 
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