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Bellum_Romanum

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But it's almost impossible to have zero omicron policy. They need to adjust their policy in view of the new data about omicron. The mortality rate is a lot lower than before and you can't keep locking down cities like this. It's unsustainable.

I'm not really sure why the Chinese authorities are still so hell bent on zero COVID. They can still ask for social distancing but full lock downs, shouldn't be done nowadays in my opinion.
And your opinion is based on what exactly? Can you name a country that's in the same category by population, geographical size, economic importance in the world that has successfully implemented covid-19 measures that China can look into emulate.

If the answer to that is ZERO then I don't know how your "opinion" ought to be followed by the only country that has actually succeeded in limiting the amount of it's people from being infected, and dying. Most notably the lone country that managed to sustain it's economic target despite the whole world succumbing to the effects of the pandemic despite the supposed advantages of an MrNa vaccine mostly used in the west.

I don't know why China must listen or take any advice from failed countries that couldn't even muster to sustain any semblance of success in dealing with the pandemic. Having over a million of deaths to your public, printing trillions of $$$ to prop up your economy aren't recipes for success. If that's what you have in mind, then that's on you.
 

Jiang ZeminFanboy

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From top to bottom is:

Not vaccinated mortality rate
one dose Sinovac
one dose Pfizer
2 doses Sinovac
2 doses Pfizer
3 doses Sinovac
3 doses Pfizer
Overall mortality rate

From left to right:
Age group.
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lol, for unvaccinated people 1-50 years omicron is almost like flu just a little worse. For vaccinated this range is increasing to 70 years. People which are 80+ years are over their average life expectancy so they might die soon even without the flu or covid.

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90% of deaths from all versions of covid if I remember correctly were for people 60+ in Poland.

The pandemic is over. In April 2022 going with lockdowns is only a political decision, that destroys the economy, and I speculate that going with this kind of policy in 2022 might prevent some deaths from covid, but deaths might increase from other factors, like a bad economy, or not healing other illnesses.
 

KYli

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lol, for unvaccinated people 1-50 years omicron is almost like flu just a little worse. For vaccinated this range is increasing to 70 years. People which are 80+ years are over their average life expectancy so they might die soon even without the flu or covid.

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90% of deaths from all versions of covid if I remember correctly were for people 60+ in Poland.

The pandemic is over. In April 2022 going with lockdowns is only a political decision, that destroys the economy, and I speculate that going with this kind of policy in 2022 might prevent some deaths from covid, but deaths might increase from other factors, like a bad economy, or not healing other illnesses.
What a load of nonsense? Apple and orange comparison.

First, you need to have 100% of population to vaccinate with 3 doses to achieve such low mortality rate which is not possible. Second, you need to vaccinate everyone every 4 months to keep the mortality that low. I don't even want to mention how much more contagious for covid compare with flu.
 

Tyler

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What a load of nonsense? Apple and orange comparison.

First, you need to have 100% of population to vaccinate with 3 doses to achieve such low mortality rate which is not possible. Second, you need to vaccinate everyone every 4 months to keep the mortality that low. I don't even want to mention how much more contagious for covid compare with flu.
China is so efficient that they are able to test and vaccinate all people every 6 months. People need to get their yearly flu shots anyway.
 

Rettam Stacf

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Social distance is pretty much useless against Omicron. Hong Kong has social distance rules in place but Omicron spread like fire.

Hong Kong's social distancing guideline is 1 meter, same as Singapore's, due to her crowded living condition. The rest of the world use 2 meter or 6 feet for social distancing.

Another main reason that contributed to Hong Kong's high infection rate is due to the the lack of government designated isolation bed space. So many with asymptomatic or mild cases were allowed to isolate at home. But the cramped living quarters of HK residents means that the sick person would just infect the entire family. I saw on the news about Covid infected domestic helpers in HK were forced to sleep in the employers' cars, if they are lucky, or out in the street.
 

KYli

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‘Omicron just a big flu’ a misperception; some in West attempt to delude Chinese public

Hyping the "over-simplified" notion that "Omicron is just a big flu" recently served as validation for some to prompt China to ease its COVID-19 restrictions, while epidemiologists have used data and facts to rebuke the many fallacies of this claim, including higher death numbers from Omicron compared to the seasonal flu, and even higher than the more lethal Delta variant.

Experts believed that hyping this falsified notion is a trick used by the some in West to delude the Chinese public and attempt to weaken China's adherence to the zero-COVID strategy, which could easily cause havoc in Chinese society. They believe the dynamic zero-COVID strategy is still best suited to China's situation, and the country will walk out of the pandemic paying a minimal price and sacrifice.

China reported 1,351 new confirmed coronavirus cases on Saturday, with the number of new asymptomatic cases standing at 25,111. The financial hub of Shanghai, which has been fighting its worst wave since the pandemic began for more than a month, reported 1,006 confirmed cases, and 23,937 silent carriers on Saturday.

South China's Guangzhou reported 10 new cases on Saturday. The city launched citywide testing of its 15 million residents on Saturday, believing that the virus may already be transmitting within communities. The city urged residents to stay put and avoid gatherings.

Officials from Northeast Jilin Province, a previous COVID-19 hotspot, announced on Sunday that the province will gradually resume pre-COVID work and life routines on condition that secure pandemic prevention is in place, after the cities of Jilin (namesake of the province) and Changchun, which were worst hit by the outbreak, announced they had curbed viral spreading within communities.

China is now fighting its most severe COVID-19 outbreak, driven mostly by Omicron and its sub-variant, in two years, with caseloads ballooning since March. The country reported 176,455 cases from March 1 to April 5, spreading to 29 provincial-level regions, according to National Health Commission (NHC) officials. A total of 197 severe cases in China were reported from January to March this year, said Wu Zunyou, chief epidemiologist of the Chinese Center for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC).

Some in the West and some self-media in China saw this small proportion of severe cases as vindication of the claim that "the risk of Omicron is equal to that of seasonal flu," and began to hype the possibility of China easing its COVID-19 restrictions.

However, epidemiologists called it an "over-simplified notion to delude or mislead the public."

More deaths than Delta

China has seen a relatively small number of severe cases from the Omicron outbreak because we rounded up all patients and gave them timely treatment, Wang Guangfa, a respiratory expert at Peking University First Hospital, told the Global Times, noting that the number would soar if restrictions are lifted, overwhelming hospitals and resulting in many patients struggling to get treatment.

Wang Guiqiang, an advisor to the National Health Commission and director of the Infectious Diseases Department at Peking University First Hospital, made reference to the 0.7 percent mortality rate in Hong Kong, which is much higher than that of seasonal flu, normally seen at 0.01 percent.

Lo Wing-hung, proprietor of Hong Kong-based newspaper Bastille Post, also told the Global Times that the idea that "Omicron is just a big flu" is misleading. "I have checked the seasonal flu deaths in Hong Kong in different years. In the year of a flu outbreak, the number of deaths due to the flu in a year is probably 100 to 300. The number reached 352 from 2018-19. Now 300 people have died [due to COVID-19] in Hong Kong in one or two days. The cumulative deaths from this round of the epidemic has exceeded 8,400. Some people said COVID-19 is like the flu, but I don't agree at all."


An analysis published by scientists who advise Japan's health minister revealed that the Omicron strain of COVID-19 is at least 40% more lethal than seasonal flu, underscoring the potential danger of lifting pandemic curbs too quickly and underestimating the virus's ongoing health risks.

Seeing the severity of Omicron and its subvariant, many countries that had already let their guard down have now veered back or are planning to change track after seeing a surge in cases.

Germany, for example, made a U-turn on April 6 when Health Minister Karl Lauterbach announced that the country will not end mandatory isolation for most people who catch COVID-19, reversing course after concerns were raised that lifting quarantine restrictions would suggest the pandemic was over.

"Coronavirus is not a cold. That is why there must continue to be isolation after an infection," Lauterbach said on Twitter, adding he had made a mistake by suggesting an end to mandatory quarantine.

According to data from the UK and the US, the Omicron variant caused more deaths than the previous Delta variant if counted in the same time period, Wu Zunyou from CDC said at the press conference last week.

For example, in the UK, from August to October 2021, when the Delta variant was dominant, the death rate was 16 per 100,000; from November 2021 to January 2022, when Omicron dominated, the death rate was 22 per 100,000.

Currently, the Omicron subvariant BA.2 raises many uncertainties, as it has become the dominant variant in the US and Europe. In the US, for example, the rate of hospitalization has been declining, but in the UK it has been rising, Chen Xi, an associate professor of public health at Yale University, told the Global Times. "What China hopes to do is to curb the peak of the outbreaks and clear all the infections as soon as possible so it can make more preparations in terms of medical treatment and vaccines," he said.

A better road

Epidemiologists pointed out that there are misconceptions widely circulating, such as relying on large scale infections to reach "herd immunity" and hoping that future variants will be less lethal than Omicron.

Lu Hongzhou, head of Shenzhen's anti-epidemic expert team and head of the Third People's Hospital of Shenzhen, told the Global Times that after a long-term study of recovered COVID-19 patients, his team discovered that 8 percent of them did not acquire neutralizing antibodies; and for those who did obtain them, the antibody titer drops rapidly, which disproves the feasibility of "herd immunity."

Wu Fan, a leading expert with Shanghai's COVID-19 medical team, said during a Sunday interview that the virus has qualities that have upended normal perceptions virologists have about viruses, such as rapid mutations and ability to evade immune systems. Whether the virus will become "milder" or "more lethal" remains unknown, thus it is important to stick to a dynamic zero-COVID policy for now.

Wu also said most evidence confirming that Omicron is less severe is from other countries, where the proportion of the population that acquired immunity differs from that of China. She further explained that most people in those countries obtained immunity through large scale infections, which also resulted in the loss of many lives. In addition, she said, most Westerners are vaccinated.

A total of 88.01 percent Chinese had received two jabs as of end of March, according to NHC data, but only half of those aged 80 years old are fully vaccinated.

Zhang Wenhong, who heads Shanghai's expert panel on COVID-19, said during a Saturday interview that Omicron is not a "big seasonal flu", and will severely impact unvaccinated elderly people. The current dynamic zero-COVID strategy is to allow all elderly people to get booster shots, and to give protection to the most vulnerable during the pandemic.

The false narrative of COVID-19 and its effects are still with us. "They clearly informed England's recent 'living with Covid' plan for dropping masks, closures, testing, even viral surveillance from April, even though cases of the even more contagious BA.2 version of Omicron were already climbing," Debora MacKenzie, a science journalist, wrote in The Guardian.

"China's determination to stick to dynamic zero-COVID will not waver or be swayed by attacks or unfounded criticisms. The country will prove it can explore a way out of the pandemic, with minimal cost and sacrifices," said Wang.
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KYli

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Big increase in vaccination rate for elderly especially for those above 80. Let get them vaccinated and boosted.
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Exclusive: Booster shots still effective in preventing deaths from Omicron: Sinopharm scientist
Sinopharm’s Omicron-specific shots expected to enter clinical trials soon: Group scientist


The chief scientist of Sinopharm's subsidiary China National Biotec Group (CNBG) urged the elderly and those with chronic diseases to accept booster shots, as the move has proven effective in protecting them from severe cases and deaths in the face of Omicron. He also revealed that the company's two Omicron-specific candidate vaccines are expected to enter clinical trials in the near future.

The Omicron variant has shown more mutations from the original variant than Beta and Delta variants. It weakened the protection efficacy of existing vaccines by 70-80 percent while the other two variants only weakened the protection efficacy of existing vaccines by 20-30 percent, Zhang Yuntao, vice president and chief scientist of CNBG, told the Global Times in an exclusive interview.


Even mRNA vaccines, which proved to trigger much higher levels of antibodies than inactivated vaccines, witnessed sharp drop-offs in antibodies within six months following administration, in the face of Omicron, Zhang said.

In comparison, inactivated vaccines still have a certain level of protection efficacy as they have broader antigens that cover more mutations in the Omicron variant, Zhang noted.

Despite the decline in efficacy, existing vaccines can still trigger humoral immunity and cell-mediated immunity after being administered as booster shots, Zhang noted.

During recent Omicron outbreaks in China, cases of severe disease largely decreased after booster shots were administered, while the rate of severe cases was apparently higher among unvaccinated people, he explained.

Zhang urged people aged 60 and above, and those with chronic diseases, to accept booster shots as soon as possible.

Recent statistic shows that more than 212 million out of the country's 267 million seniors aged over 60 years old are fully vaccinated with at least two doses. A total of 86.6 percent of seniors aged between 60 and 69 have been fully vaccinated, yet only 50.7 percent of those aged 80 and above were fully vaccinated.

The data collected by CNBG from all over the world showed that a booster shot could enhance the level of antibodies significantly, showing a good effect in preventing severe cases and deaths, according to Zhang.


Figures from China's Hong Kong Special Administrative Region tell a similar story.

According to information the Hong Kong SAR government revealed in early March, during the fifth wave of the epidemic in the city, more than 90 percent of the deaths were people aged 60 and above, and 68.7 percent were aged 80 and above.

Among those who died, more than 91 percent had not finished full vaccination procedures. The death rate of people who accepted no vaccination was 31 times that of people who had accepted two shots.

Zhang noted that the Omicron variant has made it more pressing for global vaccine manufacturers to develop new vaccine candidates.

He said that CNBG began research and development on Omicron-specific vaccines near the end of 2021, and it was rolling out submissions to the National Medical Products Administration for approval.

Among CNBG's Omicron-specific candidates, two are inactivated vaccines that would enter clinical trials in the near future. Two others are an mRNA vaccine and a recombinant vectored vaccine, according to Zhang.


After getting official approval, we hope the four Omicron-specific candidates could be provided to those who have received two or three shots to help deal with the epidemic at that time, Zhang said.

In the long run, Zhang believed that besides keeping developing candidates specifically for certain variants, vaccine manufacturers should also consider developing broad-spectrum vaccines that could be protective against various variants like Beta, Delta and Omicron.

The US Food and Drug Administration recebtly authorized Pfizer and Moderna fourth doses for everyone age 50 and older, as well as a fifth dose for certain younger people with compromised immune systems. People age 12 and older with weakened immune systems are eligible for a Pfizer fifth dose, and those 18 and older with the same condition are eligible for Moderna.

Zhang said that CNBG is also conducting research on a forth shot, but current data showed that titer of antibody triggered by a forth shot would not be higher than that following a third shot.

As to the situation in China, he said it still requires further discussion over whether a forth shot is necessary.

If a forth shot has to be administered, Zhang suggests administer it more than six months following the third shot or it would not trigger prompts more memory cells that the third shot did.
 

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Pandemic cuts US life expectancy​


By BELINDA ROBINSON and MINLU ZHANG in New York | China Daily Global | Updated: 2022-04-11 09:30

Country logs more than 80m cases as Omicron subvariant sparks surge

US life expectancy fell last year, continuing the trend of 2020, as the pandemic wreaked havoc on the health of the country and in particular on white Americans, according to a recent study.

The life expectancy of white Americans dropped by about four months last year, according to the study, which said the life expectancy of black Americans rose 0.42 years in 2021 from a decline of 3.22 years in 2020. Figures for Hispanics were flat.

The report did not include figures for Asian Americans or Native Americans. The drop among white Americans came despite the widespread availability of COVID-19 vaccines.

The study by public health experts in Colorado, Virginia, and Washington, DC, has not yet been peer-reviewed but was screened before being published online on the medRxiv server. The authors said they will soon submit it to a scientific journal to be evaluated.

The data also showed differences among gender. White males fared worse than women. But life expectancy improved for black men and women and Hispanics. That was in contrast to 2020 when life expectancy was predicted as being worse for Hispanics, black and then white Americans.

The Washington Post quoted Ryan Masters, a sociologist at the University of Colorado, as saying, "Simply speaking, the United States has failed to keep pace with the improvements in life expectancy enjoyed in other peer countries."

By last Tuesday at least 77 percent of those living in the US had received one dose of vaccine, and 65 percent were fully vaccinated.

The US Agriculture Secretary, Tom Vilsack, announced on Saturday that he had tested positive for COVID-19, joining dozens of others who have contracted the coronavirus after attending the annual Gridiron Club dinner a week earlier.

By Sunday the US had more than 80.3 million infections, with more than 985,400 related deaths, according to Johns Hopkins University.

The highly contagious Omicron subvariant BA.2 has recently become the dominant strain of COVID-19 in the country. Driven by the subvariant BA.2, COVID-19 cases are rising in New York and Washington, and there are higher case counts in some states.

New cases have risen about 60 percent in New York and have doubled in Washington since the last week of March, The New York Times said.

The daily average of new coronavirus cases in the US rose 1 percent on Friday as BA.2 continued its rapid spread, the Times said. Caseloads have stopped falling rapidly across the country and have started to rise in recent days in states including Alaska, Colorado, Rhode Island, Vermont and New York.

Nationally, just 19 of the more than 3,200 counties in the US are considered high risk by the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention. More than 95 percent of US counties are considered low risk.

Potential spike

Last week, US President Joe Biden's chief medical adviser Anthony Fauci predicted that there is likely to be a rise in COVID-19 cases in the coming weeks as well as a potential surge in the autumn.

Fauci, who serves as director of the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases, said the increase in infections could come as a result of waning immunity and the loosening of COVID-19 curbs across the US.

"I would not be surprised if we see an uptick in cases. Whether that uptick becomes a surge where there are a lot more cases is difficult to predict," he told Bloomberg on April 6.

Asked whether the US will face a COVID-19 surge in the autumn as it has experienced for the past two years, Fauci said: "I would think that we should expect that we are going to see some increase in cases as you get to the colder weather in the fall."
 
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