solarz
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This is HK?
Coronavirus 2019-2020 thread (no unsubstantiated rumours!)
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This is HK?
Correct.
for Pfizer or all Vaccines.
From top to bottom is:
Not vaccinated mortality rate
one dose Sinovac
one dose Pfizer
2 doses Sinovac
2 doses Pfizer
3 doses Sinovac
3 doses Pfizer
Overall mortality rate
From left to right:
Age group.
Seems pretty bad (relatively) for Sinovac versus Pfizer, the question is though how the vaccines were distributed (say did more 80+ get Sinovac, with there being more vulnerable people in that group compared to people getting Pfizer).
Why it is unsustainable? The facts up till now prove the opposite. China has been doing this for the past two years, and China remains the best economical growth of the world. For comparison, Europeans were only allowed to freely travel within EU from April, Chinese have been mostly free to travel all over China.
Social distancing means nothing once there is a small outburst and without lock-down. Look at Europe few months ago, nobody really bothered "social distancing", nobody even bothered to wear mask, nobody bothered to reduce travel. Basically there is only two alternatives in reality: "zero covid" policy and "do NOTHING at all" policy. The later is not even a policy because it is nothing.
Lastly and most importantly, it is NOT only the Chinese authority, it is also majority of Chinese citizens who want "lock down" in the current situation. Remember, it was Shanghai government resisted "full locked down of Shanghai" until Mars 26th when "locking down Shanghai for at least a week" had been suggested by citizens for a week.
I guess that you have the mentality of a common westerner which is opposite of a common mainland Chinese. That would explain why you think it is only the government insisting on strict measures. Chinese (main-landers) regard diseases like covid (even a flu) is something must be treated and contained, wearing mask is a duty of individual, protecting the society is a duty, protecting the old and young are the duty. Ultimately it is the duty of a government to implement measures to make everybody comply to the duties.
However, westerners have a totally opposite mentality, you don't treat flu (I know that from personal experience), you hate mask, you think spreading virus is your right and freedom, you don't see protecting other people in the society as a personal duty, you hate government having the power to dictate on social behaviours.
Eventually China will open up, but that is only when majority of Chinese feel safe and Chinese have a very high standard of what is safe than westerners.
At the end because of what I just said above, I really don't see why people even bother to argue or promote what you are suggesting. It is like why would a stranger bother to care how other people live their lives. One may think it is a great experience to skydive, but others may think it is totally stupid to risk their lives for the scare and thrill. Nobody is smarter, there is no universal right or wrong, just different choices of life styles.
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Yeah that will skew the results in favor Pfizer, BUT its seems even with that vaccines reduce significantly the mortality rate.
Looks like 3 doses of Sinovac are better than 3 doses of Pfizer for the 80+ group.
There is no doubt that Pfizer is superior than Sinovac in the first dose and the second dose. Although there is a disproportional of elderly and people with chronic diseases that are vaccinated with Sinovac. That might have affected the outcomes somewhat. I think for people over 80, 83% of them are vaccinated with Sinovac.
Dr Hui also added that the less favourable outcome among Sinovac recipients was also because they were often older people with chronic illnesses who had a higher chance of developing a severe case of Covid-19.
If these are true (most likely, although hard to know HOW much disporportional it is), it should mean that the mortality rate from that earlier graph is a bit 'skewed' (like if it was a 50/50 split between Sinovac and Pfizer, including elderly with chronic diseases, the mortality of Pfizer might have been higher and mortality of Sinovac could have been lower).
Although at the end of the day, the mortality rate younger people isn't that wildly different (Pfizer slightly better).
Question is now if Sinovac or Pfizer is better at preventing 'long covid' or more severe cases not leading to dead.