Coronavirus 2019-2020 thread (no unsubstantiated rumours!)

[SanWenYu]

(1337 + 788 yesterday)

Jilin 3076 (895 yesterday), Shandong 106 (92), Shan'xi 53 (60), Tianjin 51 (40), Guangdong 48 (79), Fujian 33 (10), Zhejiang 31 (6), Liaoning 24 (9), Jiangshu 20 (16), Hebei 13 (51), Chongqing 10 (6), Shanghai 9 (41).

73 asymptomatic cases turned symptomatic.

本土病例3507例（吉林3076例，其中吉林市2601例、长春市460例、延边朝鲜族自治州10例、四平市5例；山东106例，其中青岛市48例、滨州市19例、淄博市12例、威海市10例、潍坊市7例、德州市7例、日照市2例、烟台市1例；陕西53例，其中宝鸡市40例、西安市6例、汉中市4例、铜川市2例、咸阳市1例；天津51例，其中武清区26例、滨海新区7例、河西区4例、南开区4例、红桥区3例、西青区3例、津南区2例、宝坻区2例；广东48例，其中深圳市39例、东莞市9例；福建33例，其中泉州市31例、厦门市2例；浙江31例，其中嘉兴市16例、衢州市14例、金华市1例；辽宁24例，其中大连市9例、营口市8例、沈阳市6例、阜新市1例；江苏20例，其中常州市15例、连云港市3例、苏州市2例；河北13例，其中廊坊市5例、邯郸市4例、沧州市4例；重庆10例，其中沙坪坝区7例、渝北区1例、巴南区1例、永川区1例；上海9例，其中闵行区3例、黄浦区2例、徐汇区1例、虹口区1例、浦东新区1例、松江区1例；黑龙江7例，均在哈尔滨市；甘肃7例，其中兰州新区4例、兰州市2例、白银市1例；北京6例，其中东城区2例、朝阳区2例、西城区1例、海淀区1例；广西4例，均在钦州市；云南4例，其中德宏傣族景颇族自治州3例、红河哈尼族彝族自治州1例；贵州2例，均在遵义市；安徽1例，在马鞍山市；河南1例，在永城市；湖南1例，在长沙市），含73例由无症状感染者转为确诊病例（山东43例，吉林19例，天津8例，甘肃2例，江苏1例）

Jilin 991 (131), Hebei 185 (162), Shanghai 130 (128), Shandong 107 (97), Guangdong 68 (151), Fujian 30 (0), Jiangshu 27 (23), Yunnan 24 (35), Ganshu 20 (15), Guangxi 19 (14), Anhui 11 (1).

93 probable cases confirmed (20 imported).

本土1647例（吉林991例，其中吉林市979例、四平市5例、长春市3例、延边朝鲜族自治州2例、梅河口市2例；河北185例，其中廊坊市169例、沧州市16例；上海130例，其中嘉定区24例、闵行区23例、浦东新区22例、黄浦区21例、徐汇区11例、松江区9例、静安区6例、金山区4例、虹口区3例、奉贤区3例、宝山区2例、长宁区1例、杨浦区1例；山东107例，其中威海市43例、淄博市27例、青岛市16例、潍坊市12例、德州市6例、滨州市2例、烟台市1例；广东68例，其中东莞市46例、深圳市21例、中山市1例；福建30例，均在泉州市；江苏27例，其中连云港市9例、苏州市8例、常州市6例、扬州市2例、南京市1例、无锡市1例；云南24例，其中德宏傣族景颇族自治州18例、红河哈尼族彝族自治州6例；甘肃20例，其中兰州市12例、白银市6例、兰州新区2例；广西19例，其中崇左市11例、钦州市5例、防城港市3例；安徽11例，其中马鞍山市9例、铜陵市1例、亳州市1例；辽宁9例，其中大连市8例、营口市1例；黑龙江8例，其中哈尔滨市7例、牡丹江市1例；浙江7例，其中杭州市4例、衢州市2例、湖州市1例；天津4例，其中武清区2例、西青区1例、滨海新区1例；重庆2例，均在沙坪坝区；四川2例，均在宜宾市；贵州2例，均在遵义市；江西1例，在宜春市）；当日转为确诊病例93例（境外输入20例）

 

[KYli]

1/4 kids with symptomatic cases hit by long covid.

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Long covid for a 26 years old.

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[Bellum_Romanum]

The lock down in shenzhen is an indication of what will happen to other Chinese cities. They should vaccinate people with boosters, rather than just testing like crazy.

You're absolutely insane with your observation as to which methodology between what the west does, lead by the American debacle compared to what China has been doing which is a very successful epidemic control based on real world results: Economic growth, less death per capita, less death overall, less infections per capita and overall.

Despite the overwhelming evidence, you keep on harping on the incessant need for China to use MRnA vaccines or use booster shots contrary to the science and real world results in countries that have employed what you have been vacuously advocating for ad nauseum.

Are some Asians these freaking westernized that no amount of evidence can convince people like you from preferring to believe the evidence in front of you because it's Chinese? And would rather keep on believing like religion the western method all the evidence to the contrary? This is some cult like shit.

 

[Tyler]

That's nonsense. China has successfully eradicated covid for many times already. Testing is the only way to do it. Nobody is going to get boosted every 4-5 months. You would lucky if 20% to 30% of population are willing to be inoculated themselves every few months.

And the US is still dying over 1200 per days after boosted and after natural immunity. Covid is not a cold. No matter how you try to sugarcoat it. Even if using conservative estimate, the US covid deaths from covid this year would exceed 300,000. Even the worst flu season couldn't do such damage.

The US is just 75% fully vaccinated and 45% boosted. Most cases are now concentrated in those not vaccinated. All people should get boosted every couple of months, as anti-bodies will fade. Updated vaccines are needed for new variants.

When did I say covid is just a cold? covid is worse than a seasonal flu, which requires a flu vaccine every year.

It is easier to get vaccinated every couple of months, than to get tested every day, as in Shenzhen and Shanghai.

 

[KYli]

The US is just 75% fully vaccinated and 45% boosted. Most cases are now concentrated in those not vaccinated. All people should get boosted every couple of months, as anti-bodies will fade. Updated vaccines are needed for new variants.

When did I say covid is just a cold? covid is worse than a seasonal flu, which is why you need a flu vaccine every year.

How do you convince people to get boosted every 4-5 months? You sound like a vaccine salesman. Beside, 4th dose is ineffective according to Israel.

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Let me say it again. Only testing can eradicate covid. After 3rd dose, you need a new vaccine and treatment. Keep boosting with an ineffective vaccine has little benefit.

 

[Tyler]

How do you convince people to get boosted every 4-5 months? You sound like a vaccine salesman. Beside, 4th dose is ineffective according to Israel.

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Let me say it again. Only testing can eradicate covid. After 3rd dose, you need a new vaccine and treatment. Keep boosting with an ineffective vaccine has little benefit.

That is why you need an updated vaccine that target newer variants, There are always break through cases. In all cases, vaccines and boosters will help prevent serious cases. This has been proven scientifically.
Just testing will not eradicate covid, you also need vaccination and medication. Similarly, testing has not eradicated the seasonal flu for decades.

 

[KYli]

That is why you need an updated vaccine that target newer variants, There are always break through cases. In all cases, vaccines and boosters will help prevent serious cases. This has been proven scientifically.
Just testing will not eradicate covid, you also need vaccination and medication. Similarly, testing has not eradicated the seasonal flu for decades.

The speed of covid mutation is faster than the speed of vaccine development. So don't count on new vaccines boosters to provide too much benefits. As for preventing serious cases, the old vaccines can already do it. After 3rd dose, additional boosters don't provide additional benefits in preventing serious cases so your advocate of boosting every few months make no sense.

China has eradicated covid for the past two years. So testing can't eradicate covid is completely false. If other countries follow China leads, we probably wouldn't have covid right now.

 

[Tyler]

The speed of covid mutation is faster than the speed of vaccine development. So don't count on new vaccines boosters to provide too much benefits. As for preventing serious cases, the old vaccines can already do it. After 3rd dose, additional boosters don't provide additional benefits in preventing serious cases so your advocate of boosting every few months make no sense.

China has eradicated covid for the past two years. So testing can't eradicate covid is completely false. If other countries follow China leads, we probably wouldn't have covid right now.

The 3rd dose is still the original vaccine, that is why you need updated vaccines as boosters that target the newer variants.
For faster vaccines development, you need local mRNA vaccines.

If China could eradicate covid, then maybe they should try eradicating the seasonal flu as well. Remember that, most people in China already got 2 doses of vaccines. So it was testing together with vaccination that had kept cases to very low levels.

 

[KYli]

The 3rd dose is still the original vaccine, that is why you need updated vaccines as boosters that target the newer variants.
For faster vaccines development, you need local mRNA vaccines.

If China could eradicate covid, then maybe they should try eradicating the seasonal flu as well. Remember that, most people in China already got 2 doses of vaccines. So it was testing together with vaccination that had kept cases to very low levels.

At the moment, there are no new vaccines that provide much of additional benefits against Omicron. Your Omicron mRNA is even slower than Chinese second generation vaccines in development and provide no additional benefits. The so called mRNA speed of development is just a myth. And their mRNA Omicron vaccines didn't do better against Omicron compare with the original mRNA vaccine. Didn't you read the news.

It is too late to eradicate flu but not too late to eradicate covid two years ago. I always advocate for vaccination and its benefits. In fact, I say China needs to get 95% of its population vaccinated and boosted. However, it is unrealistic to vaccine everyone every 4-5 months. You would be lucky that 60%-70% of population would be willing to be boosted annually let alone every 4-5 months.

 

[InfamousMeow]

That is why you need an updated vaccine that target newer variants, There are always break through cases. In all cases, vaccines and boosters will help prevent serious cases. This has been proven scientifically.
Just testing will not eradicate covid, you also need vaccination and medication. Similarly, testing has not eradicated the seasonal flu for decades.

The US is just 75% fully vaccinated and 45% boosted. Most cases are now concentrated in those not vaccinated. All people should get boosted every couple of months, as anti-bodies will fade. Updated vaccines are needed for new variants.

When did I say covid is just a cold? covid is worse than a seasonal flu, which requires a flu vaccine every year.

It is easier to get vaccinated every couple of months, than to get tested every day, as in Shenzhen and Shanghai.

The 3rd dose is still the original vaccine, that is why you need updated vaccines as boosters that target the newer variants.
For faster vaccines development, you need local mRNA vaccines.

If China could eradicate covid, then maybe they should try eradicating the seasonal flu as well. Remember that, most people in China already got 2 doses of vaccines. So it was testing together with vaccination that had kept cases to very low levels.

No one has a doubt about the usefulness of vaccine in combating Coronavirus. The only problem is that it mitigates transmission but not completely cuts off transmission. China's dynamic zeroing policy, no matter how dynamic it is, still aims to elimiate local existence of coronavirus to elimiate the local transmission of coronavirus. You can only eliminate coronavirus by stamping out the means of transmission, which is separating infected people from the uninfected crowd by testing, isolation, and quarantine. So in China's current strategy, testing will always has a higher priority than vaccination. This is evident in the temporary haltings of local vaccination process whenever there are local cases.

"Just testing will not eradicate covid." This is false. China did eliminate local cases of covid. All the cases since the original Wuhan outbreak originated from backflow cases. Again, in the near foreseeable future, vaccine still can only help in eliminating Covid unless there exist some vaccine that completely prevents people from either contracting or transmitting the virus.

"Testing has not eradicated the seasonal flu for decades." There wasn't a consistent and persistent efforts to eradicate seasonal flu in the first place. Also, flu vaccine has not eradicated the seasonal flu for decades.

"It is easier to get vaccinated every couple of months, than to get tested every day, as in Shenzhen and Shanghai." No, you don't get tested everyday, not even in city in lockdown. I personally experienced city-wide lockdown, I was only tested twice before the lockdown was lifted and I was never tested ever again. So since the early stage of the pandemic, I was only tested twice (excluding testing in quarantine hotel) in the two years of pandemic. Also, as long as the zero covid policy exists, even if people are vaccinated and boosted up, they will still need to be tested. You are making false comparison.

"For faster vaccines development, you need local mRNA vaccines." There are local mRNA vaccines in development, so you can rest assured of the speed of vaccine development. China has all types of vaccines covered, no need to worry.

"If China could eradicate covid, then maybe they should try eradicating the seasonal flu as well." Yeah, maybe. But whether China try to eradicate seasonal flu or not has no relevance in China's Covid strategy.

"Remember that, most people in China already got 2 doses of vaccines. So it was testing together with vaccination that had kept cases to very low levels." Also remember, China managed to eradicate local cases of Covid way before the EUA of any vaccines. Vaccine sure is a significant contribution to efforts in combatting coronavirus, but the deciding factor in the success of eliminating local transmission of Coronavirus is still the good-old trio of testing, isolation, and quarantine.