Coronavirus 2019-2020 thread (no unsubstantiated rumours!)

KYli

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The lock down in shenzhen is an indication of what will happen to other Chinese cities. They should vaccinate people with boosters, rather than just testing like crazy.
Without testing, every Chinese cities would be like Hong Kong. As for booster, that's already happening. I am more concerned about they have push harder to get elderly vaccinated as the percentage of elderly vaccinated is still lower than other age groups.

BTW, did you read my article. EU which has high vaccination rate with booster with high natural immunity with mRNA is having another surge. Get it.
 

Tyler

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Without testing, every Chinese cities would be like Hong Kong. As for booster, that's already happening. I am more concerned about they have push harder to get elderly vaccinated as the percentage of elderly vaccinated is still lower than other age groups.

BTW, did you read my article. EU which has high vaccination rate with booster with high natural immunity with mRNA is having another surge. Get it.
Like I said, just testing, without boosting, is useless. Low infection rates in China would mean even more frequent boosting is needed, until local longer lasting vaccines are available.
 

KYli

Brigadier
Like I said, just testing, without boosting, is useless. Low infection rates in China would mean even more frequent boosting is needed, until local longer lasting vaccines are available.
Boosting is secondary to testing. Boosting is the last line of defense. If you relied upon boosting, that means you already lost the fight and and expected many deaths. Testing is the only way to eradicate the virus.

Pfizer is saying you need 4th dose soon. This is pure sales marketing and total disregard of science. It is just not doable for taking a booster shot every 4-5 months. You need to be realistic. You need more effective vaccines and treatments.

You still failed to answer me. EU with high vaccination rate with high booster rate with mRNA vaccines still is having a surge. So you boosting strategy doesn't work well.
 

tokenanalyst

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Like I said, just testing, without boosting, is useless. Low infection rates in China would mean even more frequent boosting is needed, until local longer lasting vaccines are available.
I do agree with you and looks like they are accelerating their boosting, they have administered 550 million booster doses with 220 million doses just in two months. But good testing is absolutely necessary.
 

Tyler

Captain
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Boosting is secondary to testing. Boosting is the last line of defense. If you relied upon boosting, that means you already lost the fight and and expected many deaths. Testing is the only way to eradicate the virus.

Pfizer is saying you need 4th dose soon. This is pure sales marketing and total disregard of science. It is just not doable for taking a booster shot every 4-5 months. You need to be realistic. You need more effective vaccines and treatments.

You still failed to answer me. EU with high vaccination rate with high booster rate with mRNA vaccines still is having a surge. So you boosting strategy doesn't work well.
The problem is that they are opening up too soon. Many countries have cancelled the mask mandate, removing most measures in public places like restaurants, schools, shopping malls and stadiums etc. Most of them got vaccinated, which has effectively prevented serious cases and hospitalizations.

Just like the seasonal flu vaccine, boosting is the first line of defense. When you have enough antibodies in your body, you can effectively neutralize most viruses in your body. This prevents you from getting a more serious case of infection.

You can get tested every day, but you can get infected the next day. But if get boosted, you will get a couple of months of protection.
 

KYli

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The problem is that they are opening up too soon. Many countries have cancelled the mask mandate, removing most measures in public places like restaurants, schools, shopping malls and stadiums etc. Most of them got vaccinated, which has effectively prevented serious cases and hospitalizations.

Just like the seasonal flu vaccine, boosting is the first line of defense. When you have enough antibodies in your body, you can effectively neutralize most viruses in your body. This prevents you from getting a more serious case of infection.

You can get tested every day, but you can get infected the next day. But if get boosted, you will get a couple of months of protection.
That's nonsense. China has successfully eradicated covid for many times already. Testing is the only way to do it. Nobody is going to get boosted every 4-5 months. You would lucky if 20% to 30% of population are willing to be inoculated themselves every few months.

And the US is still dying over 1200 per days after boosted and after natural immunity. Covid is not a cold. No matter how you try to sugarcoat it. Even if using conservative estimate, the US covid deaths from covid this year would exceed 300,000. Even the worst flu season couldn't do such damage.
 

KYli

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Things would get worse before getting better.
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Another surge is coming to NYC in a month or two.
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Shanghai is still defending its dynamic and surgical zero policy, but many provinces and cities are in lock down due to spill over cases from Shanghai. It needs to do a better job instead of keep bragging.
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InfamousMeow

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Things would get worse before getting better.
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Another surge is coming to NYC in a month or two.
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Shanghai is still defending its dynamic and surgical zero policy, but many provinces and cities are in lock down due to spill over cases from Shanghai. It needs to do a better job instead of keep bragging.
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I am not able to read the piece from SCMP. Is this wave of Omicron happening in China a result of spill over cases from Shanghai? I am still trying to figure out the source of this wave of virus. The news in China, now, mainly revolves around how many new cases there are but not the detailed epidemiology research based on contact tracing as provided before when there are more localized Coronavirus outbreak.
 

KYli

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I am not able to read the piece from SCMP. Is this wave of Omicron happening in China a result of spill over cases from Shanghai? I am still trying to figure out the source of this wave of virus. The news in China, now, mainly revolves around how many new cases there are but not the detailed epidemiology research based on contact tracing as provided before when there are more localized Coronavirus outbreak.
Hong Kongers who quarantine in a Shanghai hotel is the source of Shanghai outbreak. That hotel doesn't have good air filter system and not suitable for quarantine. Shanghai has abnormally low cases of symptomatic cases but has a ton of asymptomatic cases. Since asymptomatic cases don't trigger travel warnings, Shanghai didn't require people coming and going to have 24 hours or 48 hours PCR tests negative which resulted in a spill over to nearby provinces and a few other places due to its policies. Shanghai becomes one of the main sources outbreak in many other places.

Hangzhou distribution center for shipping company is another source. Many people in the distribution center were sick and might have passed the virus through packages to other places. Hong Kong spill over to Guangdong is one source. However, Guangdong didn't spill over to other places like Shanghai did.
 
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