Coronavirus 2019-2020 thread (no unsubstantiated rumours!)

[ht1688]

Trust me, the novel coronavirus comes from nature.

I'm not a conspiracy theorist, but I think, objectively, we need to keep an open mind.

Here's the abstract of a paper that points out an interesting fact:

Among numerous point mutation differences between the SARS-CoV-2 and the bat RaTG13 coronavirus, only the 12-nucleotide furin cleavage site (FCS) exceeds 3 nucleotides. A BLAST search revealed that a 19 nucleotide portion of the SARS.Cov2 genome encompassing the furing cleavage site is a 100% complementary match to a codon-optimized proprietary sequence that is the reverse complement of the human mutS homolog (MSH3). The reverse complement sequence present in SARS-CoV-2 may occur randomly but other possibilities must be considered. Recombination in an intermediate host is an unlikely explanation. Single stranded RNA viruses such as SARS-CoV-2 utilize negative strand RNA templates in infected cells, which might lead through copy choice recombination with a negative sense SARS-CoV-2 RNA to the integration of the MSH3 negative strand, including the FCS, into the viral genome. In any case, the presence of the 19-nucleotide long RNA sequence including the FCS with 100% identity to the reverse complement of the MSH3 mRNA is highly unusual and requires further investigations.

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Here are the relevant points:

• Many mutations exist among the bat RaTG13 coronavirus and SARS-CoV-2.
• These mutations (and typical mutations) are typically 3 nucleotides long.
• Only 1 mutation is more than 3 nucleotides long. It s 12 nucleotide long.
• This sequence is an exact complementary match to a patented sequence.
• While this could be the result of random chance, this chance is exceedingly small.

It is revealed in the paper that this sequence was patented by Moderna in 2016. Here is the patent:

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This video explains this in more detail and in layman terms:

We certainly can't conclude anything from this. But we also can't rule out that it's a result of human activity, just because it's so unusual that the mutation is so long and happens to be related to a patent from Moderna.

 

[56860]

476 + 1048 (397 + 703 yesterday)

Symptomatic cases:

Shandong 159 (121 yesterday), Jilin 134 (98), Tianjin 35 (18), Guangdong 33 (11), Shan'xi 30 (18), Zhejiang 23 (16), Hebei 22 (16), Jiangshu 20 (36), Shanghai 5 (11).

5 asymptomatic cases turned symptomatic.



Asymptomatic cases:

Shandong 400 (255), Jilin 266 (148), Guangdong 191 (167), Shanghai 78 (64), Ganshu 40 (4), Hebei 22 (16), Yunnan 19 (25), Jiangshu 13 (12).

Appreciate the constant updates

 

[KYli]

Shanghai needs to do a mass testings and lock down. Many other provinces and cities have local cases that can be traced back to Shanghai. Hong Kong is already causing a mess in Guangdong. Shanghai should take up its responsibility and face the fact that its strategy isn't working.

However, Shanghai's first case is coming from Hong Kongers that quarantine in a Shanghai hotel. That means Hong Kong is ultimately responsible.

 

[SteelBird]

I'm not a conspiracy theorist, but I think, objectively, we need to keep an open mind.

Open mind to what? For example, if one day people find out the novel coronavirus come from labs in China, Russia or US. So what? What would you do to these countries? Hold them accountable? Trade sanction? War? Imagine the results!

 

[56860]

Shanghai needs to do a mass testings and lock down. Many other provinces and cities have local cases that can be traced back to Shanghai. Hong Kong is already causing a mess in Guangdong. Shanghai should take up its responsibility and face the fact that its strategy isn't working.

However, Shanghai's first case is coming from Hong Kongers that quarantine in a Shanghai hotel. That means Hong Kong is ultimately responsible.

The issue is HK officials need to be held to the same standard as mainland officials.

 

[KYli]

The issue is HK officials need to be held to the same standard as mainland officials.

I agree. The problem is the 1C2S. China still doesn't want to rock the boat. The good thing is Carrie is going to be stepped down soon. I doubt the Chinese government would allow her to seek reelection.

 

[ht1688]

Open mind to what? For example, if one day people find out the novel coronavirus come from labs in China, Russia or US. So what? What would you do to these countries? Hold them accountable? Trade sanction? War? Imagine the results!

I make no judgments. But I think it's a good idea to try to find the truth. It's fine if you don't think so. I post the paper for anyone interested.

 

[SanWenYu]

Shanghai needs to do a mass testings and lock down. Many other provinces and cities have local cases that can be traced back to Shanghai. Hong Kong is already causing a mess in Guangdong. Shanghai should take up its responsibility and face the fact that its strategy isn't working.

However, Shanghai's first case is coming from Hong Kongers that quarantine in a Shanghai hotel. That means Hong Kong is ultimately responsible.

I think Shanghai, and all the places with outbreaks, have been doing mass testing. Otherwise they would not have reported the cases. Is this not true?

The numbers in Shanghai are quite interesting. It has asymptomatic cases all over the city for a few days. But unlike other cities such as Qingdao, Jilin and Dongguan, the curve has been relative flat. The rate of symptomatic cases against asymptomatic ones has also been lower than other cities.

Could this be attributed to that Shanghai has higher vaccination coverage than other places? Perhaps it even has higher rate of booster shots?

 

[siegecrossbow]

Well well what do you know Russian Defense Ministry spokesperson Igor Konashenkov said that experiments with samples of bat coronavirus were carried out in biological laboratories created and funded in Ukraine.

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Joke's on the Biden admin for trying to make the lab theory credible.

 

[KYli]

I think Shanghai, and all the places with outbreaks, have been doing mass testing. Otherwise they would not have reported the cases. Is this not true?

The numbers in Shanghai are quite interesting. It has asymptomatic cases all over the city for a few days. But unlike other cities such as Qingdao, Jilin and Dongguan, the curve has been relative flat. The rate of symptomatic cases against asymptomatic ones has also been lower than other cities.

Could this be attributed to that Shanghai has higher vaccination coverage than other places? Perhaps it even has higher rate of booster shots?

Mass testing but not citywide testing. Many provinces and cities think Shanghai has been reporting some symptomatic cases as asymptomatic. Asymptomatic cases should only be 2/3 of cases but 4/5 of cases in Shanghai are asymptomatic which is abnormal. Many major cities also have high vaccination so I doubt that.