Coronavirus 2019-2020 thread (no unsubstantiated rumours!)

KYli

Brigadier
Some colleagues were discussing the situation in HK, I also think it was mentioned here by @KYli, but the private hospitals are refusing to accept new patients which is leading to the scenes of people in the street in HK.

Does the government have no emergency power to compel them? Seems bizarre.

It's funny because some HK acquaintances always point out how "stupid" the Canadian healthcare system is because you cannot pay for access. I always say they are over simplifying it, and simply paying for access does not guarantee quality and usually creates a bottleneck in the worst case scenarios, and this seems to be what is happening here. Not saying the Canadian system is perfect, but I understand the philosophy.
If Carrie Lam really wanted to force them to take in patients, She can use Emergency Regulations Ordinance to compel them to do so. However, Hong Kong always claim it is small government and laissez faire society. Carrie Lam as a colonial trained bureaucrat would unlikely enact such laws. Instead Carrie Lam would try to negotiate with private hospitals which is what she is doing right now to take in more non-covid patients.

Look at this way, Carrie Lam is reluctant to even call upon mainland China doctors and nurses for reinforcement. She is dragging her feet as public hospitals doctors and nurses were fearful that by allowing mainland doctors and nurses to come to Hong Kong would eventually lead to future granting mainland doctors and nurses of the rights to be a practitioner in HK.

In the end of the day, even in such an emergency as so many people are dying. Special interests still would override sensible decision. Carrie Lam as a leader is indecisive and not able to foresee obstacles and find a way around them before train wreck. We just hope that all those temporary makeshift hospitals and quarantine facilities building by mainland could be put into use to make a difference.
 

Tyler

Captain
Registered Member
Some colleagues were discussing the situation in HK, I also think it was mentioned here by @KYli, but the private hospitals are refusing to accept new patients which is leading to the scenes of people in the street in HK.

Does the government have no emergency power to compel them? Seems bizarre.

It's funny because some HK acquaintances always point out how "stupid" the Canadian healthcare system is because you cannot pay for access. I always say they are over simplifying it, and simply paying for access does not guarantee quality and usually creates a bottleneck in the worst case scenarios, and this seems to be what is happening here. Not saying the Canadian system is perfect, but I understand the philosophy.
Maybe Hong Kong should copy Canada's public health care system. These private sector are expensive for most people anyway.
 

SanWenYu

Captain
Registered Member
397 + 703 today (402 + 435 yesterday)

Symptomatic cases:

Shandong 121 (was 66 yesterday), Jilin 98 (165), Jiangshu 36 (13), Ganshu 26 (66), Tianjin 18 (19), Shan'xi 18 (21), Hebei 16 (10), Zhejiang 16 (3), Shanghai 11 (4), Guangdong 11 (17).

21 asymptomatic cases turned symptomatic.
本土病例397例山东121例,其中青岛市103例、威海市8例、德州市6例、烟台市3例、淄博市1例;吉林98例,其中吉林市93例、延边朝鲜族自治州3例、长春市2例;江苏36例,其中连云港市34例、南京市2例;甘肃26例,其中兰州新区15例、白银市8例、兰州市3例;天津18例,其中西青区10例、津南区3例、东丽区2例、河东区1例、南开区1例、红桥区1例;陕西18例,其中宝鸡市8例、西安市8例、汉中市2例;河北16例,其中沧州市7例、廊坊市5例、邢台市3例、保定市1例;浙江16例,其中杭州市13例、衢州市3例;上海11例,其中浦东新区4例、虹口区2例、闵行区2例、嘉定区1例、金山区1例、青浦区1例;广东11例,其中深圳市9例、广州市1例、东莞市1例;黑龙江8例,均在哈尔滨市;北京5例,其中朝阳区2例、海淀区2例、大兴区1例;云南5例,其中德宏傣族景颇族自治州4例、昆明市1例;辽宁4例,均在沈阳市;内蒙古2例,其中呼和浩特市1例、阿拉善盟1例;河南1例,在濮阳市;青海1例,在西宁市),含21例由无症状感染者转为确诊病例(山东10例,吉林2例,甘肃2例,北京1例,天津1例,内蒙古1例,辽宁1例,河南1例,广东1例,青海1例)

Asymptomatic cases:

Shandong 255 (112), Guangdong 167 (5), Jilin 148 (179), Shanghai 64 (76), Yunnan 25 (22), Jiangshu 12 (5).

21 asymptomatic probable cases became confirmed.
本土703例(山东255例,其中青岛市221例、威海市31例、淄博市3例;广东167例,其中东莞市165例、深圳市2例;吉林148例,其中吉林市123例、长春市21例、四平市1例、松原市1例、延边朝鲜族自治州1例、梅河口市1例;上海64例,其中闵行区13例、宝山区11例、松江区9例、徐汇区6例、浦东新区6例、普陀区4例、虹口区4例、青浦区4例、嘉定区3例、静安区2例、黄浦区1例、长宁区1例;云南25例,其中德宏傣族景颇族自治州18例、昆明市6例、临沧市1例;河北16例,其中廊坊市12例、沧州市3例、邢台市1例;江苏12例,其中连云港市5例、南京市3例、苏州市2例、南通市1例、扬州市1例;广西6例,其中防城港市5例、百色市1例;甘肃4例,均在白银市;北京2例,其中朝阳区1例、海淀区1例;黑龙江2例,均在哈尔滨市;河南1例,在濮阳市;湖北1例,在咸宁市);当日转为确诊病例41例(境外输入20例)
 

56860

Senior Member
Registered Member
397 + 703 today (402 + 435 yesterday)

Symptomatic cases:

Shandong 121 (was 66 yesterday), Jilin 98 (165), Jiangshu 36 (13), Ganshu 26 (66), Tianjin 18 (19), Shan'xi 18 (21), Hebei 16 (10), Zhejiang 16 (3), Shanghai 11 (4), Guangdong 11 (17).

21 asymptomatic cases turned symptomatic.


Asymptomatic cases:

Shandong 255 (112), Guangdong 167 (5), Jilin 148 (179), Shanghai 64 (76), Yunnan 25 (22), Jiangshu 12 (5).

21 asymptomatic probable cases became confirmed.
What's happening? 400 cases for two days straight. I believe with Omicron, once you reach a certain level of spread, there is simply no controlling it.

Did China look at Hong Kong and decide quietly to go for a controlled rip? AFAIK there has been no change to their zero COVID policy that I know of.
 

KYli

Brigadier
What's happening? 400 cases for two days straight. I believe with Omicron, once you reach a certain level of spread, there is simply no controlling it.

Did China look at Hong Kong and decide quietly to go for a controlled rip? AFAIK there has been no change to their zero COVID policy that I know of.
China did make a small change by asking provincial government not to impose lockdown unless absolutely necessary.
 

KYli

Brigadier
Basically, they have a dilemma. Due to the fact that kids between 5-11 if administered with 30 mg of Pfizer vaccine, then they would have high fever. But if they administered with only 3 to 10 mg, then the vaccine doesn't have much of a protection. So Pfizer vaccines for kids between 5-11 are useless at the moment. They are working on if three doses would make a difference.
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KYli

Brigadier
They should do a mass testing, and boost everybody at the same time. It is useless to have people lining up just for testing every couple of days.
Shenzhen is doing testing every 24 hours and contact tracing and cases have been going down. So stricter rules and more testings should still work. However, not sure other places have the same capacity like Shenzhen has.
 
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