Explain South Korea, Japan, Singapore cases then.
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Pay attention to what my post is saying. My point was not against vaccination, but saying "vaccination certificate is useless for border control".
China requires negative PCR test to get in regardless vaccination status. PCR test before departure and at entry point are more reliable to screen the person than a vaccination certificate which does not guarantee virus free.
Please read my post again, pay attention to the highlighted text, here I repeat again:
With a so low protection effectiveness, vaccination is actually counter productive in preventing the spread, it will create lot of asymptomatic or light symptomatic people to further spread the virus.
Compared to strict lock down, quarantine, PCR test, contact tracing etc. etc.???? Do I have to repeat everything that is well known already?
stopping spread is totally different thing from eradication. I don't get how could you make the equation.
There are lots of contiguous diseases today, they remain in small pockets in the world but not spread all over the world like Covid-19. These are examples of "stopping spread" without being "eradicated".
Here is a list for you,
A very recent example is which did not spread out of Africa, but Ebola is not eradicated.
It seems that you did not read carefully before you write. Or are you deliberately twisting my point?
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Get ready for the Wuhan Lab Leak Theory part III and this time according to the converts the evidence is beyond reproach.
Hong Kong government gave airline cargo crews a break(loophole). These cargo crews can isolate at home for three days with permission to venture out for essential. The thinking is that cargo crews don't have much interaction with people and deem not as exposure to covid than passengers crews.
However, airline explores this loophole by flying passengers out and flying cargo back. So you end with aircrews that flying passengers plane come back as cargo crews that don't need to isolate at facilities or hotels. These aircrews decided to go out and have fun on Day 1 since there is no check in place for stopping them from doing so.
I blame Carrie Lam for putting economic interests before pandemic. In addition, a few weeks before the outbreak, mainland experts come to Hong Kong to assess reopening of border and told her that there are too many loophole for aviation but she just ignored their advice.
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Interesting and I understand HK used SinoVac? THat just proves it is human nature to circumvent restrictions. Thats why voluntary self isolation is not going to work.
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Carrie Lam has got to go, shes done enough damage already.
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Pfizer Biontech is used much more than Sinovac.
Agree, Carrie Lam's inaction is the problem.
If you had wrote "Vaccination certificate alone is useless for border control." then it would be more clear. We don't know whether you are supportive of vaccination certificates as part of border control toolkit, or simply against relying solely on vaccination certificates alone for border control. If it was more clearly specified, there will be less chance for misinterpretation.
You should specify the comparator clearly in the post so it is clear and reduce the chance for misinterpretation. If you don't specify the comparator, then people can rightly or wrongly assume you mean vaccination is counterproductive compared to 'no vaccination' for all we know and you sound like an anti-vaxxer. We can't read your mind magically. Just a polite reminder to be more clear in your posts.
The only way to completely "stop spreading" is to eradicate the virus. If it continues to spread within a localized population, that's by definition "continuing to spread". You need to eradicate the virus to completely "stop spreading".
If they remain in small pockets of the world, that's by definition "Still spreading"? I'm beginning to think English is not your first language. The definition of pandemic is an epidemic that spreads across continents, but if it's still endemic in small regions of the world, it's "Still Spreading" and has not "Stopped spreading". Also, nobody in epidemiology uses "Stop spreading" because it's super vague and open to interpretation.
Ebola did not spread out of Africa because it had a high lethality rate and short incubation period, making identification and quarantine easier. Also, there was no mass vaccination campaign to "Stop the Spread" of Ebola , and Ebola is definitely still spreading amongst the human and animal host reservoir population, and definitely still spreading within Africa. This is a really poor example to choose.
Just a polite reminder to be more clear in your posts to avoid any misunderstanding or miscommunication.