Coronavirus 2019-2020 thread (no unsubstantiated rumours!)

[SteelBird]

Pay attention to what my post is saying. My point was not against vaccination, but saying "vaccination certificate is useless for border control".

China requires negative PCR test to get in regardless vaccination status. PCR test before departure and at entry point are more reliable to screen the person than a vaccination certificate which does not guarantee virus free.

Please read my post again, pay attention to the highlighted text, here I repeat again:

With a so low protection effectiveness, vaccination is actually counter productive in preventing the spread, it will create lot of asymptomatic or light symptomatic people to further spread the virus.

Compared to strict lock down, quarantine, PCR test, contact tracing etc. etc.???? Do I have to repeat everything that is well known already?

stopping spread is totally different thing from eradication. I don't get how could you make the equation.

There are lots of contiguous diseases today, they remain in small pockets in the world but not spread all over the world like Covid-19. These are examples of "stopping spread" without being "eradicated".

Here is a list for you,

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A very recent example is

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which did not spread out of Africa, but Ebola is not eradicated.

It seems that you did not read carefully before you write. Or are you deliberately twisting my point?

I agree to some parts of your statement but disagree with others.

First, I agree that vaccination certificate or vaccination passport is useless for border control. Today with the spread of omicron variant, even if you are vaccinated with up to four doses, it won't protect you from being infected. However, border control in some countries, my country for example, would require two things to let a person in; vaccination passport and negative PCR test.

Second, I don't agree with the part that you said vaccination would create a lot of asymptomatic or light symptomatic people to further spread the virus. Yes, it does but without vaccine, these people would spread even faster and a lot them will turn seriously ill and die. Did you read my story about 5 out of 10 of our staff got infected after CNY holidays? None got serious and some has come back to work.

 

[Bellum_Romanum]

Interesting and I understand HK used SinoVac? THat just proves it is human nature to circumvent restrictions. Thats why voluntary self isolation is not going to work.

p/s
Carrie Lam has got to go, shes done enough damage already.

This is what I found and read on r/Hong_Kong

 

[KYli]

Hopefully, this is just a false alarm.

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[SteelBird]

Hopefully, this is just a false alarm.

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When it's on the table, there's a high probability that it is/will be true. Whoever thinks that Omicron is the last variant of concern and 2022 is the last year of Covid-19 maybe disappointed. The pandemic is far from over!

 

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[Tyler]

When it's on the table, there's a high probability that it is/will be true. Whoever thinks that Omicron is the last variant of concern and 2022 is the last year of Covid-19 maybe disappointed. The pandemic is far from over!

But many countries are now dropping the mask mandate. How many boxes of masks do you still have?

 

[SteelBird]

But many countries are now dropping the mask mandate. How many boxes of masks do you still have?

Well, you ask the right person. I have a whole warehouse of anti covid materials, mask, rapid test kit, Lianhua and Molnupiravir.

 

[supersnoop]

How do you explain the situation in Hong Kong? What vaccines do they need now?

Only 2 vaccines used in HK
Sinovac and Biontech (Fosun) aka Pfizer outside China
mRNA uptake I believe is 60 or 80% (can’t remember the latest number)
Conclusion, mRNA is not conclusively better at preventing infections

 

[lube]

I feel ill thinking how many people are going to die in Hong Kong over the next few months.
Not enough vulnerable people vaccinated.

Only 30% of 80+ year olds with a second dose.

Doctors been telling elderly patients over the last year not to take a vaccine because it might have mild side effects.

I know someone from Hong Kong who's been very busy telling everyone Chinese vaccines are 100% useless against Omicron and they should take MRNA instead. That's part of the problem. If you haven't taken a vaccine by now, a scare campaign is going to make the hesitant person stay with the no-vaccine option until its too late.

 

[ansy1968]

Well, you ask the right person. I have a whole warehouse of anti covid materials, mask, rapid test kit, Lianhua and Molnupiravir.

@SteelBird Bro you have my admiration and respect the perfect Preppers...lol, Me 1 large box of Lianhua ( 400 boxes X 24 capsule per box) and 1 large box of ordinary face mask (1,000 bundle x100 pcs) and 100 pcs N95 for my family (6 people). Ohh also recently 1 Large box of Golden Throat Lozenge (1,000 boxes x 12 tablets) with assorted anti biotics. Yup I'm prepare!