Coronavirus 2019-2020 thread (no unsubstantiated rumours!)

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Bellum_Romanum

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Tyler said:
So how do they prepare the people's immune systems for covid variants?
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Bro, are you a scientist or even an epidemiologist? Where does it ever say that an inactivated based Covid-19 vaccines don't produce the necessary protection against Covid-19 in general? You have been acting like the mrna vaccine is the one all cure all against Covid-19 variants despite the clear case and real life evidence that this is not the case.
 
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So Ontario basically gave up on testing and contact tracing altogether. Under the new guidelines you don't get to test even if you are symptomatic or a close contact. They also reduced isolation for the infected down to 5 days, based on the assumption that vaccinated people with Omicron would recover faster, but I have yet to see statistics on % of infections for Omicron vs other variants. Without testing you wouldn't know if you have COVID, and without knowing that you won't be able to tell close contacts. Herd immunity one way or another I guess...

On a more personal note, my wife's cousin was tested positive on Monday, and we had Christmas dinner together the day before. So my wife and I are all self quarantining at home at the moment, while waiting for results of tests that we did today (which was insanely difficult to book).
 
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Think the west has handled covid 19 so bad that they are just gonna rip the bandaid off... there is no penalty for screwing up and killing millions or causing some undertermin long term health issues in millions, worst that can happen is you just walk away and enjoy your riches in private life or work for some gov contractor/think tank.

A frequent Doctor on CNN bascially said the 5 days is sorta BS and the reason is that society may collapse if everyone had to quarantine for 10+ days.

Doctors and Scientist on DW news said that the true seriousness of omicron is unknown since the data they have so far is from SA which the majority of people are young and previous covid has ripped thru the country already. Furthermore, no one knows the long term effects of the virus either.
 
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Tyler

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daifo said:
Think the west has handled covid 19 so bad that they are just gonna rip the bandaid off... there is no penalty for screwing up and killing millions or causing some undertermin long term health issues in millions, worst that can happen is you just walk away and enjoy your riches in private life or work for some gov contractor/think tank.

A frequent Doctor on CNN bascially said the 5 days is sorta BS and the reason is that society may collapse if everyone had to quarantine for 10+ days.

Doctors and Scientist on DW news said that the true seriousness of omicron is unknown since the data they have so far is from SA which the majority of people are young and previous covid has ripped thru the country already. Furthermore, no one knows the long term effects of the virus either.
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It looks like south Africa is opening up, as they are claiming omicron has peaked.
 
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Phead128 said:
You can just get boosted to increase antibody count. Antibody count only really matters if you want to prevent infection. Both mRNA and inactivated have waning antibody count over time, and both have reduced antibody efficacy against new variants. However, both mRNA and inactivated have strong T-cell memory response (long-term memory response), which helps prevent hospitalization and death.

So boosting antibody count is important for elderly, immunocompromised, or comorbid who really want to prevent infection. Personally, I think you don't necessarily need a booster per se if you are young and healthy, and have fully vaccinated (mRNA or inactivated) because your T-cell memory response will prevent severe disease and death.

I haven't seen the data for Omnicron, but for the Delta Variant, the local Inactivated Chinese vaccines produce strong T-cell memory response, which is why protection against hospitalization and death is still high (+80%) despite it's waning antibody-specific response against infection (sharply reduced, as with mRNA vaccines)


I think China will time the ending of 'zero COVID' strategy with a) arrival of local anti-viral pills, and b) arrival of local mRNA boosters. I agree, mRNA will not end the pandemic (actually, the virus will become endemic, impossible to eradicate), but it's more like a convenient propaganda tool to declare victory of Chinese ingenuity/scientist and convenient excuse to tell the population to return to normalcy. It's as much "psychological" to convince the population to switch to normalcy due to arrive of new medicines (anti-viral pills) and 2nd-gen mRNA boosters.
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If you saw the article I posted, the first new generation vaccine out of China (via UAE) is the recombinant protein by Sinopharm (similar to AZ?). It noted that four 2nd gen vaccines were in the process of evaluation including mRNA, but this is the first to be approved.

UAE will begin almost immediately using the shot in January as omicron cases are rising. It will be used as a third shot for people who already got 2 Sinopharm inactivated shots. IMO, it’s showing that UAE still has confidence in Sinopharm (the company) as opposed to the previous reports that UAE was dropping Sinopharm and going with Pfizer only.
 
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