The war against the pandemic was lost the moment Western countries refused to follow China's example. Not only they put profits before lives, this shows how far they're willing to go in their geopolitical confrontation with China: they'd rather sacrifice millions of their own citizens before accepting China's zero-Covid strategy was the right one.
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The yankees are achieving herd immunity. For China, very few got infected and therefore no antibodies. Most Chinese still need stronger vaccines to gain immunity.
183,000 cases of covid-19 in the UK yesterday. That number is likely an underestimate as the UK COVID testing system is completely saturated right now.
Despite that, politicians are talking about reducing the isolation time down to 5 days like the Americans. Yes, it's a complete mess here.
Despite that, politicians are talking about reducing the isolation time down to 5 days like the Americans. Yes, it's a complete mess here.
The stupid "stronger" vaccines you keep on pushing are only 15% effective against the new Omicron variant so just what the heck are you talking about?
You have been ragging on about the need for MrnA vaccines to be used in China but you seem or unwilling to recognize that while those vaccines are good they're not bulletproof or offer the best protection against infections.
I don't know what is your deal bro.
How effective are Chinese vaccines against omicron? Do you have the stats? Very few Chinese have antibodies due to very low number of cases.
1st. Omicron makes easy work on infecting people with whatever 2-dose vaccine
2nd. For whatever 2-dose vaccine, while offering less protection on infection, they still provide a lot of protection on hospitalization/death (important for ending the pandemic)
3rd. Antibodies are not everything. The immune system also has T-cells
4th. You get "super" protection if you are vaccinated with whatever 2-dose vaccine and you still get infected. This should be enough to protect you for a long time
5th. Omicron is mild. If you are vaccinated with a 2-dose vaccine, there is huge chance you will just get some fever and a sore throat and then you will recover.
Omicron is a straight ticket towards completely opening up the world (for the West at least). I estimate that by February they will open up everything and stop bothering with it
2nd. For whatever 2-dose vaccine, while offering less protection on infection, they still provide a lot of protection on hospitalization/death (important for ending the pandemic)
3rd. Antibodies are not everything. The immune system also has T-cells
4th. You get "super" protection if you are vaccinated with whatever 2-dose vaccine and you still get infected. This should be enough to protect you for a long time
5th. Omicron is mild. If you are vaccinated with a 2-dose vaccine, there is huge chance you will just get some fever and a sore throat and then you will recover.
Omicron is a straight ticket towards completely opening up the world (for the West at least). I estimate that by February they will open up everything and stop bothering with it
China should be able to open, if they can get their local mRNA vaccines. How good are local Chinese vaccines in preparing the immune system for producing T-cells?
I don't think they need mRNA vaccines per se. I suspect once the virus mutates to a less severe strain, china can open up. It's not like mRNA vaccines are a panacea for COVID. Like how H1N1 turned into the common flu as did the Spanish flu. Usually issues a couple years. I suspect china is biding their time, waiting for other countries to see the long term effects and severity of omicron before determining that the severity has run its course. Afterward do gradual opening. Usually better to open in the summer then fall or winter.