Coronavirus 2019-2020 thread (no unsubstantiated rumours!)

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getready

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SteelBird said:
No comorbidities, except symptoms as I described in my previous post, there is no other symptom and she is on the 5th week of pregnancy. Actually she has just discovered herself being pregnant a few days before being diagnosed of Covid-19 infection. She hasn't even visited doctor for her pregnancy. In normal days, she's young (early 30s) and healthy.


It's about how you define "confirm". By our standard, she's suspected because it's me who diagnosed her to be infected with fast test kit. To be confirmed needs a PCR result but usually we would avoid that unless it's serious. For minor or no symptom, we would choose to treat ourselves at home because we are all vaccinated and there are formula of treating Covid-19 with some rather simple medicine. The problem is she's pregnant and can't take those medicine that makes me worried.


Only minor symptoms. What makes worried is that she can't take medicine. Actually, we aren't really afraid of Covid-19 as before because we are vaccinated, healthy and as long as we can accept medicine. Our daily Covid-19 death is single digit. Among those, 50% ~ 60% aren't vaccinated. For example: Covid-19 death of Nov 2nd was 7, 5 of those weren't vaccinated and Nov 3rd was 6 while 3 weren't vaccinated.
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Just read your post. Hopefully she is doing well. She should be okay going by statistics. Even if she is pregnant. Especially as she also had her booster, only very tiny minority will need hospitalization and even less go to icu or worse.

I'm actually more concerned for her long covid. My friend got covid, no serious symptoms but lost his smell and taste. It's been close to year now and he hasn't regained them. He seem abit down regarding that but coping with it. I'm not sure how your friend will mind losing her both senses though
 
SteelBird

SteelBird

Colonel
getready said:
Just read your post. Hopefully she is doing well. She should be okay going by statistics. Even if she is pregnant. Especially as she also had her booster, only very tiny minority will need hospitalization and even less go to icu or worse.

I'm actually more concerned for her long covid. My friend got covid, no serious symptoms but lost his smell and taste. It's been close to year now and he hasn't regained them. He seem abit down regarding that but coping with it. I'm not sure how your friend will mind losing her both senses though
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As of today, she tests negative twice already (1st test on Nov 5, 2nd test on Nov 7). Taste has come back to her but not so for the smell unless it is very strong smell (like durian for example). She hope to come back to work but as our principle, after testing negative twice, we request her to quarantine at home for another week, or if she need to finish any urgent, she can come back to office after everybody has left. I also learn that Covid-19 patients who lost their taste and smell may lost them for a very long time.
 
Quickie

Quickie

Colonel
SteelBird said:
No comorbidities, except symptoms as I described in my previous post, there is no other symptom and she is on the 5th week of pregnancy. Actually she has just discovered herself being pregnant a few days before being diagnosed of Covid-19 infection. She hasn't even visited doctor for her pregnancy. In normal days, she's young (early 30s) and healthy.


It's about how you define "confirm". By our standard, she's suspected because it's me who diagnosed her to be infected with fast test kit. To be confirmed needs a PCR result but usually we would avoid that unless it's serious. For minor or no symptom, we would choose to treat ourselves at home because we are all vaccinated and there are formula of treating Covid-19 with some rather simple medicine. The problem is she's pregnant and can't take those medicine that makes me worried.


Only minor symptoms. What makes worried is that she can't take medicine. Actually, we aren't really afraid of Covid-19 as before because we are vaccinated, healthy and as long as we can accept medicine. Our daily Covid-19 death is single digit. Among those, 50% ~ 60% aren't vaccinated. For example: Covid-19 death of Nov 2nd was 7, 5 of those weren't vaccinated and Nov 3rd was 6 while 3 weren't vaccinated.
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How long has she been vaccinated with the third dose before she got infected with Covid? I suppose that question goes for the other employees also.

I'm asking because, in the country where I am, going by the data that is available online the chances of getting the infection simply shoot up right after you've got the vaccine injection. I suspect it's the higher exposure rate to the virus in the place of the vaccination and possibly the body's defense against the virus actually becoming weaker very early on after the injection.
 
SteelBird

SteelBird

Colonel
Quickie said:
How long has she been vaccinated with the third dose before she got infected with Covid? I suppose that question goes for the other employees also.

I'm asking because, in the country where I am, going by the data that is available online the chances of getting the infection simply shoot up right after you've got the vaccine injection. I suspect it's the higher exposure rate to the virus in the place of the vaccination and possibly the body's defense against the virus actually becoming weaker very early on after the injection.
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She's the first one to take the third dose in our company. I can't remember exactly when but it seems to be early August. Other staff took the third doses at the end of August.
 
Quickie

Quickie

Colonel
SteelBird said:
She's the first one to take the third dose in our company. I can't remember exactly when but it seems to be early August. Other staff took the third doses at the end of August.
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As long as it passes 14 days or to be safe 21 days for the vaccine to take its full effect, then it should be good.
 
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gadgetcool5

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In my view, China must be prepared for the possibility that Covid-19 basically just never ends and that it eventually must end its Zero-Covid policy or else risk being stuck in permanent isolation. In such a case, the historical reality will be that the containment-suppression tactics China is good at were never a failproof method of beating back a viral outbreak to begin with. China did a good job with it but the Chinese government doesn't control the world and can't prevent some idiot anti-masker in Trumpville, Texas from spreading it. China will have won some benefits from the strategy such as preventing mass outbreaks before having mass vaccination, but it won't be able to prevent large amounts of hospitalizations and deaths. I am not saying that China should end its Zero-Covid policy in the foreseeable future and in fact I oppose it for now. But China must think about the possibility of such a scenario at some point in the future and what it would mean.

In my view, if such a scenario were to come about, the real lesson from Covid-19 will be that China must massively increase its investment in biotech R&D to find cures or more effective vaccines for medical ailments of all kinds. This entire episode is testament to the power that biological materials have in the world. At a future time (by 2100) I believe biotech will become even more important than semiconductors. China should begin laying the groundwork now for dominance in this area.
 
manqiangrexue

manqiangrexue

Brigadier
gadgetcool5 said:
In my view, China must be prepared for the possibility that Covid-19 basically just never ends and that it eventually must end its Zero-Covid policy or else risk being stuck in permanent isolation. In such a case, the historical reality will be that the containment-suppression tactics China is good at were never a failproof method of beating back a viral outbreak to begin with. China did a good job with it but the Chinese government doesn't control the world and can't prevent some idiot anti-masker in Trumpville, Texas from spreading it. China will have won some benefits from the strategy such as preventing mass outbreaks before having mass vaccination, but it won't be able to prevent large amounts of hospitalizations and deaths. I am not saying that China should end its Zero-Covid policy in the foreseeable future and in fact I oppose it for now. But China must think about the possibility of such a scenario at some point in the future and what it would mean.

In my view, if such a scenario were to come about, the real lesson from Covid-19 will be that China must massively increase its investment in biotech R&D to find cures or more effective vaccines for medical ailments of all kinds. This entire episode is testament to the power that biological materials have in the world. At a future time (by 2100) I believe biotech will become even more important than semiconductors. China should begin laying the groundwork now for dominance in this area.
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China's strategy will evolve with COVID. Everyone is aware of the possibility and liklihood that COVID will stay forever, however, viruses temp down as they evolve to live with humans. At this stage, basically any country that lets its guard down, we seen infections spike in the hundreds of thousands and deaths spike in the thousands with hospitals overwhelmed. This is the correct stage to implement the no COVID strategy and as long as it persists, it will remain the right strategy. When the rest of the world has shown that COVID has evolved to a point where people can walk around maskless in large crowds and celebrations and see no substantial spikes in mortality or hospitalization, it will mean that COVID has evolved to become flu-like. Then China's strategy can evolve with it as well and let COVID in.
 
Sardaukar20

Sardaukar20

Captain
Registered Member
manqiangrexue said:
China's strategy will evolve with COVID. Everyone is aware of the possibility and liklihood that COVID will stay forever, however, viruses temp down as they evolve to live with humans. At this stage, basically any country that lets its guard down, we seen infections spike in the hundreds of thousands and deaths spike in the thousands with hospitals overwhelmed. This is the correct stage to implement the no COVID strategy and as long as it persists, it will remain the right strategy. When the rest of the world has shown that COVID has evolved to a point where people can walk around maskless in large crowds and celebrations and see no substantial spikes in mortality or hospitalization, it will mean that COVID has evolved to become flu-like. Then China's strategy can evolve with it as well and let COVID in.
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Agreed. This is the best answer to China's zero covid question. We don't know when, but eventually, Covid-19 will become a garden-variety flu disease. But for now, Covid-19 is still landing people in hospitals and killing them. It is in this very dangerous period that China must maintain the zero Covid-19 strategy. Its so simple. Yet the 'free world' fails to understand this.

Its the same with H1N1. In 1918, H1N1 was the biggest killer. Now H1N1 is just one of the many flu viruses that people contract, get ill, and recover from. Covid-19 will eventually become like this. But not today. It's still a deadly killer now.

The main problem is that there is excessive politicization of Covid-19. So it creates all kinds of problems from unnecessary loss of lives to vaccine scepticism. The US is the primary cause of this politicization. If the US and the 'free world' were serious about containing Covid-19, the pandemic should be over by now.
 
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