Coronavirus 2019-2020 thread (no unsubstantiated rumours!)

KYli

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Is China planning any sinovac booster shots or second generation vaccines?
Multiple booster shots studies have been completed or near completed. Mixing vaccines studies are still on going. Sinopharm and Sinovac second generation vaccines against Delta are in preclinical trials. There are other second generation vaccines against variants but not sure if they take Delta into consideration.
 

ZeEa5KPul

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I wonder where this misinformation came from. I recall last year a few people also died taking chloroquine intended for treating parasite in aquarium fish because Trump said chloroquine is a miracle drug against COVID-19. This time around I don't recall any leaders saying anything about ivermectin.
There's a story (probably apocryphal) that the leader of the hashashin was negotiating with an enemy general during a war. To intimidate his counterpart, he ordered two of his soldiers to jump to off a cliff to their deaths as a demonstration of their unquestioning loyalty. I think what's happening here is somewhat similar: the Fox News crowd is commanding the Trump cultists to ingest poison to prove their loyalty.

And also because they take sadistic pleasure in making these brainwashed hordes do anything they command.
 

Phead128

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After their fourth, fifth, sixth, or seventh booster shot, everyone will be immune to all the variants of the virus!

We have quadrivalent (4 mutant strains) in a single influenza vaccine, and over the course of a regular flu season, there is four (4) quadrivalent vaccines that's constantly updated (up to 16 different mutants/strains) depending which one is most prevalent in circulation, which varies by region, country, and continent.

So yes, you can pack ALL the SAR-CoV-2 variants into a single vaccine and adminster it as a booster.

Here is an article suggesting MULTIPLE VARIANTS can be attacked by a single vaccine in the future.
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Actually, what evidence do you have for your assertion that "permanent zero deaths" will be possible after any number of booster shots, if China opened up and allowed the virus to run wild?
Who said permanent zero deaths after booster shots? Why are you making up words and putting it into other's mouths.

I said, China should focus on achieving 'zero deaths' as a more realistic goal, rather than 'zero infections', because it's economically costly in the long run to lockdown forever and ever.


I doubt you have ANY evidence. ?

Not only can you fail to read articles, you also fail to read my post. SHOW ME where I said China can achieve permanent zero deaths via boosters? Show me where, and stop putting words into other people's mouths.
Whereas I can say that China's anti-pandemic policy has been a huge success.
We are discussing the long-term milestones and exit strategy. What do you propose as the long-term exit strategy??
(I doubt you will even answer this question, because you have no clue or idea)
Why should China do something as stupid as replacing an eminently working program with your plan, which as far as I can tell has absolutely no supporting evidence?
Nobody is saying China should reopen now. I'm saying China should reopen with boosters and full vaccination. How thick and stubborn are you?

Even Chief Scientist of Chinese CDC admits that 'zero infection' is a temporary strategy and they won't do 'zero infections' forever. What is your proposed solution in the long run?
 
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Nutrient

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We have quadrivalent (4 mutant strains) in a single influenza vaccine, and over the course of a regular flu season, there is four (4) quadrivalent vaccines that's constantly updated (up to 16 different mutants/strains) depending which one is most prevalent in circulation, which varies by region, country, and continent.

So yes, you can pack ALL the SAR-CoV-2 variants into a single vaccine and adminster it as a booster.
You want China to open up, which means importing many variants of SARS-CoV-2 from the rest of the world. As of February 2021,
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, according to Sujeet Kumar Singh, who is Director of NCDC, which I assume is India's equivalent of the US CDC. That was several months ago. Who knows how many variants are spreading in India now -- and in the rest of the world. Multivalent vaccines will protect against how many thousands of variants, according to you?


Who said permanent zero deaths after booster shots? Why are you making up words and putting it into other's mouths.
YOU said "Bro, once China achieves 100% vaccination plus boosters, China can grow even faster without sporatic lockdowns to achieve an elusive goal of permanent zero infections. Permanent zero deaths should be sufficient."

You said that, don't say you didn't mean "zero deaths after booster shots". You argue like a loser: if you can't dazzle them with the merit of your arguments, baffle them with BS.


We are discussing the long-term milestones and exit strategy. What do you propose as the long-term exit strategy??
(I doubt you will even answer this question, because you have no clue or idea)
I want China to keep fighting the coronavirus, and not give up as you recommend. For some things there are no quick and easy answers. China must continue to fight. Who knows, perhaps a strong vaccine will emerge that proves effective against all variants.


Nobody is saying China should reopen now. I'm saying China should reopen with boosters and full vaccination. How thick and stubborn are you?
I can argue very stubbornly against BS artists who offer little evidence to support their hype. How much evidence have you that your opening-up plan will even work? None as far as I can see. You want China to dump a program that is working well in favor of your plan, which has very little evidence for it?
 

Xizor

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Latest NHC update: double zero - zero new domestic cases and zero new asymptomatic carrier.

Latest word from my in laws who live around Nanjing airport: Lukou will still be on restricted movement for a while longer, rest of Nanjing will return to normal today.
A very nice news. I'll take "Zero Covid" strategy over "Covid Blind " strategy any day. Having the virus eventually affecting all of China is not a good strategy at all.

What I fear is new variants of the Virus affecting children. I can tolerate old people getting the ticket but not young ones. If China were to adopt a strategy of "living with the virus" then it'd find combating a new Babadook strain difficult.
 

JSChineseTiger

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You want China to open up, which means importing many variants of SARS-CoV-2 from the rest of the world. As of February 2021,
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, according to Sujeet Kumar Singh, who is Director of NCDC, which I assume is India's equivalent of the US CDC. That was several months ago. Who knows how many variants are spreading in India now -- and in the rest of the world. Multivalent vaccines will protect against how many thousands of variants, according to you?



YOU said "Bro, once China achieves 100% vaccination plus boosters, China can grow even faster without sporatic lockdowns to achieve an elusive goal of permanent zero infections. Permanent zero deaths should be sufficient."

You said that, don't say you didn't mean "zero deaths after booster shots". You argue like a loser: if you can't dazzle them with the merit of your arguments, baffle them with BS.



I want China to keep fighting the coronavirus, and not give up as you recommend. For some things there are no quick and easy answers. China must continue to fight. Who knows, perhaps a strong vaccine will emerge that proves effective against all variants.



I can argue very stubbornly against BS artists who offer little evidence to support their hype. How much evidence have you that your opening-up plan will even work? None as far as I can see. You want China to dump a program that is working well in favor of your plan, which has very little evidence for it?

The virus can mutate into millions even billions of combinations. Enough for humanity to deal it for the rest of Earth's history. Math is pretty cool.
 
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