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taxiya

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Study in Brazil shows that Sinovac is not effective for people over 70 years old, and only 28% effective after the second dose for people 80 years or older

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The Chinese authorities had authorized the vaccination of people over 65 with Sinovac ??
Why the study that you linked is outstandingly alone from studies from other countries, namely China, Turkey, Chile, Indonesia and Philippines? Back in school, if a student got a different result than everybody else, the first thing to do is to re-examine oneself's calculation, and 99.99% times it was his/her fault.
 

Xizor

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This was created by NYTimes. It's likely that they might've prepared this template for China but alas, as events turned out to be, it's India who is going to be celebrated.

I still can't fully visualize what the media storm would've been like if China got into the situation instead of India.
 

Skye_ZTZ_113

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This was created by NYTimes. It's likely that they might've prepared this template for China but alas, as events turned out to be, it's India who is going to be celebrated.

I still can't fully visualize what the media storm would've been like if China got into the situation instead of India.
Really? I thought their reaction to the height of the Wuhan epidemic gave more than info material to read off. No need for imagination. Chinese virus! Wuhan bat soup! Primitives! The Chinese spread it! Only a XYZ authoritarian system would allow this blah blah. WOO! We'll bring factories back to the U.S.A! Etc.
 

Rob20

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Welcome to the forum Rob20. You may have noticed a frosty reception to your arrival here. There have been a few trolls recently so bear that in mind.

The article you posted was in Portuguese so I can't understand exactly what they are claiming. The study they cite seems to come from Butantan, the largest vaccine manufacturer in Brazil. I've not found the original study they published so am unable to comment much about it.

The clinical trial in Chile is the only one I'm aware of that subdivided age groups older than 60 and I believe the effectiveness was 65% for the 80+ age group.

That was before emergence of newer variants though and the effectiveness of any vaccine tends to be poorer in that demographic.

Thank you very much for the welcome,

sincerely I had not seen the Chilean study and its inclusion of people over 70 years of age, for what it says, the vaccine offers good immunity, and is a good contrast to what was published in Brazil

Why the study that you linked is outstandingly alone from studies from other countries, namely China, Turkey, Chile, Indonesia and Philippines? Back in school, if a student got a different result than everybody else, the first thing to do is to re-examine oneself's calculation, and 99.99% times it was his/her fault.

I was not aware that there were other studies that included people over 70 years old, apparently there is another in Chile in this regard ... I was only curious about the low efficacy in older people

Trying to investigate a little more than what was published in Brazil, I have realized that one of those who has carried out the study is a researcher from FIOCRUZ who in Brazil is the one who produces the Astrazeneca Vaccine, it is probably not such an impartial study how was believed

On the other hand, it only talks about the general efficacy against symptomatic cases, there are no data on effectiveness for severe cases.
 

taxiya

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Trying to investigate a little more than what was published in Brazil, I have realized that one of those who has carried out the study is a researcher from FIOCRUZ who in Brazil is the one who produces the Astrazeneca Vaccine, it is probably not such an impartial study how was believed
In that case, this "study" is professionally inappropriate to the point of deliberate misinformation on Astra Zeneca's part. The very reason that all Phase III studies are carried out by an independent party and being "double blind" is to make sure the study is honest and impartial. I have never heard any producer comment on products from other producers, this is not about politeness but about professionalism.

FIOCRUZ behaves so bad that it is starting a shit throwing game where Astra Zeneca's blood clout issue can be magnified if SinoVac's Brazilian partner choose to do (which I doubt they will).
 

weig2000

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Really? I thought their reaction to the height of the Wuhan epidemic gave more than info material to read off. No need for imagination. Chinese virus! Wuhan bat soup! Primitives! The Chinese spread it! Only a XYZ authoritarian system would allow this blah blah. WOO! We'll bring factories back to the U.S.A! Etc.

Just off the top of my head:

1. Bat soup
2. Wuhan Lab leaks
3. Abnormally high volume of urns in Wuhan
4. Millions of cancelled cellphone accounts in Wuhan
5. China Cancelled all domestic flights, but continued to allow international flights out of Wuhan
6. "China is the Real Sick of Asia"
7. "China's Chernobyl Moment"
...

Feel free to add to the list.
 
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voyager1

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Just off the top of my head:

1. Bat soup
2. Wuhan Lab leaks
3. Abnormally high urns in Wuhan
4. Millions of cancelled cellphone accounts in Wuhan
5. China Cancelled all domestic flights, but continued to allow international flights out of Wuhan
6. "China is the Real Sick of Asia"
7. "China's Chernobyl Moment"
...

Feel free to add to the list.
don't forget the cremating machines (?) working overtime which meant that China was covering it up.

And barricading people in their houses
 

Quickie

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Just off the top of my head:

1. Bat soup
2. Wuhan Lab leaks
3. Abnormally high volume of urns in Wuhan
4. Millions of cancelled cellphone accounts in Wuhan
5. China Cancelled all domestic flights, but continued to allow international flights out of Wuhan
6. "China is the Real Sick of Asia"
7. "China's Chernobyl Moment"
...

Feel free to add to the list.

8. Silencing of whistleblowers.
9. Irregular traffic at hospitals' parking lots.
 

4Runner

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Just off the top of my head:

1. Bat soup
2. Wuhan Lab leaks
3. Abnormally high volume of urns in Wuhan
4. Millions of cancelled cellphone accounts in Wuhan
5. China Cancelled all domestic flights, but continued to allow international flights out of Wuhan
6. "China is the Real Sick of Asia"
7. "China's Chernobyl Moment"
...

Feel free to add to the list.
This stands at the top -
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In February 2020, Mead published an opinion piece in
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Is the Real
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The mighty Chinese juggernaut has been humbled this week, apparently by a species-hopping bat virus. While Chinese authorities struggle to control the epidemic and restart their economy, a world that has grown accustomed to contemplating China’s inexorable rise was reminded that nothing, not even Beijing’s power, can be taken for granted.

We do not know how dangerous the new coronavirus will be. There are signs that Chinese authorities are still trying to conceal the true scale of the problem, but at this point the virus appears to be more contagious but considerably less deadly than the pathogens behind diseases such as Ebola or SARS—though some experts say SARS and coronavirus are about equally contagious.

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This feels like some last-century-stuff.
 

Skywatcher

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The WiV lab leak theory hasn't been getting that much play here in the US, online or other mainstream media (probably because even the most low information viewer will wonder why the outbreak didn't start at the WiV in that case).
 
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