Coronavirus 2019-2020 thread (no unsubstantiated rumours!)

[AndrewS]

The US messed up the pandemic under Trump but the reality is they are getting better. Their cases are falling. Their vaccination rate is the best in the world among large countries. And their technology is unsurpassed. Right now they are focusing on vaccinating their own people, but once that is complete, they will have an excellent infrastructure for export. They will use it against China if the mRNA vaccine has been tweaked to work with new variants successfully while China's vaccines become even less effective. China could even become dependent on the BioNTech vaccine licensed by Fosun and be forced to pay a lot of money just like they do now with semiconductors.

Some people think I discuss bleak situations for China because I am against China; this could not be further from the truth. Merely, I think it is more useful to discuss areas of potential weakness than strength. China has many strengths, and a strength is a strength; that is great, you accept it, and let it continue. But you focus on areas of weakness so you can improve. If my son brings home a B average report card, I don't say, "great you didn't get a C" I say "what can you change to get an A"? Given China's challenging international environment this is how it must think to survive.

I notice a distinct lack of critical thinking in this post. In addition to the comments already made, I would add the following:

Yes, the US will have infrastructure setup to produce and distribute vaccines inside the USA.
But these are currently mRNA vaccineswhich require temperatures of -20C and -80C for transport.

The amount of mRNA vaccine exports will be severely limited because the receiving countries don't have the infrastructure setup to store and distribute large quantities. And that is even before we consider the much higher cost of mRNA vaccines.

 

[PiSigma]

I notice a distinct lack of critical thinking in this post. In addition to the comments already made, I would add the following:

Yes, the US will have infrastructure setup to produce and distribute vaccines inside the USA.
But these are currently mRNA vaccineswhich require temperatures of -20C and -80C for transport.

The amount of mRNA vaccine exports will be severely limited because the receiving countries don't have the infrastructure setup to store and distribute large quantities. And that is even before we consider the much higher cost of mRNA vaccines.

Don't worry, they can just leave it outdoors in Texas... Or inside, not like they got heating anyway.

 

[j17wang]

Coronavirus: is China ready for the mRNA vaccine revolution?​

Addressing the 4,000 people at the China Biological Products Annual Conference in Zhuhai in southern China, George Gao Fu said it was highly likely that mRNA vaccines would have the ultimate power to fight the coronavirus that causes Covid-19.

“The technology is fast, potent and induces longer immunity, from cellular to humoral immunity,” Gao said, referring to anitbody-mediated immunity.

“You are the heavyweights of the industry. I hope you will give thought tonight about whether your company should make a transition and whether you should start to make arrangements to work on mRNA vaccines.”

Xiang Zuoyun, chief strategy officer with Chinese vaccine developer Walvax Biotechnology, said this was the start of something new.

“[mRNA] is excellent technology for developing viral vaccines in the future and it is very likely that, in 20 or 30 years, all vaccines will use it. The trend is quite obvious,” Xiang said. “I feel we are witnessing the beginning of a new vaccine era.”

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Comment: mRNA vaccines are more effective, and more easily adaptable towards new strains like B117 that will keep emerging. The US already has a head start and is beating the world at vaccination pace. Once the new variants like B117 become predominant, China's vaccines may not work anymore, whereas the US will have a vaccinated population and a more effective vaccines to offer the world, with better technology. At that time China will be in trouble. The US will say 'China caused the disease, we give you the cure (mRNA vaccine).

As usually, [[citations needed]]. China already has an mRNA in Phase II testing from Walvax Biotechnology. mRNA will work much worse against new variants compared to Sinopharm and Sinovac, because its precision guided towards a specific portion of the gene coding while inactivated virusese introduce immunity through the entire genetic package.

But... you already knew this already.

 

[j17wang]

The US messed up the pandemic under Trump but the reality is they are getting better. Their cases are falling. Their vaccination rate is the best in the world among large countries. And their technology is unsurpassed. Right now they are focusing on vaccinating their own people, but once that is complete, they will have an excellent infrastructure for export. They will use it against China if the mRNA vaccine has been tweaked to work with new variants successfully while China's vaccines become even less effective. China could even become dependent on the BioNTech vaccine licensed by Fosun and be forced to pay a lot of money just like they do now with semiconductors.

Some people think I discuss bleak situations for China because I am against China; this could not be further from the truth. Merely, I think it is more useful to discuss areas of potential weakness than strength. China has many strengths, and a strength is a strength; that is great, you accept it, and let it continue. But you focus on areas of weakness so you can improve. If my son brings home a B average report card, I don't say, "great you didn't get a C" I say "what can you change to get an A"? Given China's challenging international environment this is how it must think to survive.

As usual:

The US messed up the pandemic under Trump but the reality is they are getting better. [citation needed]

Their vaccination rate is the best in the world among large countries. [citation needed]

And their technology is unsurpassed. [citation needed]

Right now they are focusing on vaccinating their own people, but once that is complete, they will have an excellent infrastructure for export. [citation needed]

They will use it against China if the mRNA vaccine has been tweaked to work with new variants successfully while China's vaccines become even less effective. [citation needed]

China could even become dependent on the BioNTech vaccine licensed by Fosun and be forced to pay a lot of money just like they do now with semiconductors. [citation needed]

I actually wish BioNTech the best, just remember that Fosun owns massive amounts of BioNTech shares as a result of their brilliant investment in the company back in March. Every dose of Pfizer injected into an American, Canadian, British, Australian is money straight into the pockets of China's pharmaceutical industry. China can't lose.

 

[PiSigma]

As usual:

The US messed up the pandemic under Trump but the reality is they are getting better. [citation needed]

Their vaccination rate is the best in the world among large countries. [citation needed]

And their technology is unsurpassed. [citation needed]

Right now they are focusing on vaccinating their own people, but once that is complete, they will have an excellent infrastructure for export. [citation needed]

They will use it against China if the mRNA vaccine has been tweaked to work with new variants successfully while China's vaccines become even less effective. [citation needed]

China could even become dependent on the BioNTech vaccine licensed by Fosun and be forced to pay a lot of money just like they do now with semiconductors. [citation needed]

I actually wish BioNTech the best, just remember that Fosun owns massive amounts of BioNTech shares as a result of their brilliant investment in the company back in March. Every dose of Pfizer injected into an American, Canadian, British, Australian is money straight into the pockets of China's pharmaceutical industry. China can't lose.

Gadget doesn't understand (citation needed) because he never went to school and written a formal paper.

 

[B.I.B.]

As usually, [[citations needed]]. China already has an mRNA in Phase II testing from Walvax Biotechnology. mRNA will work much worse against new variants compared to Sinopharm and Sinovac, because its precision guided towards a specific portion of the gene coding while inactivated virusese introduce immunity through the entire genetic package.

But... you already knew this already.

Interesting. are you sure about that? While one might get caught out with tens of millions of useless doses, it only takes a couple days to make the modifications under the mRNA method.

 

[vesicles]

Gadget doesn't understand (citation needed) because he never went to school and written a formal paper.

It seems to be a new trend since 2016 that people think it's ok to make up news/info as they please. When questioned, they will simply yell "fake news". And everyone will simply accept their version of things... It's a strange new world for all of us... Maybe a brain worm has infested many people and this may explain why so many people do these crazy things, and why even more people actually accept it... What's the name of that classic B movie about brain worms again?

 

[vesicles]

Anyone heard about a parasite carried by cats? It's called Toxoplasma gondii. It has been suggested that >10% people in the US has been infested by this parasite. This parasite spreads to your liver and nervous systems. And the infested people develop mental illnesses, literally making you crazy. This may be why we have so many crazy people...

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This is my desperate attempt to explain the craziness...

 

[manqiangrexue]

It seems to be a new trend since 2016 that people think it's ok to make up news/info as they please. When questioned, they will simply yell "fake news". And everyone will simply accept their version of things... It's a strange new world for all of us... Maybe a brain worm has infested many people and this may explain why so many people do these crazy things, and why even more people actually accept it... What's the name of that classic B movie about brain worms again?

Idiocracy (2006)

Prison escape scene and the "St. God's Memorial Hospital" scenes are my fav.

 

[vesicles]

Idiocracy (2006)

Prison escape scene and the "St. God's Memorial Hospital" scenes are my fav.

Nah, much earlier than that. I think it's back in the 60's and 70's, the golden age of B movies. It may not be worms... Something infested people's brains and making their brains plastic, maybe?