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And so the demonizing continues:
From CNN headlines:
CNN Exclusive: WHO Wuhan mission finds possible signs of wider original outbreak in 2019
By Nick Paton Walsh, CNN
Updated 6:01 AM EST, Mon February 15, 2021
(CNN)Investigators from the World Health Organization (WHO) looking into the origins of coronavirus in China have discovered signs the outbreak was much wider in Wuhan in December 2019 than previously thought, and are urgently seeking access to hundreds of thousands of blood samples from the city that China has not so far let them examine.
The lead investigator for the WHO mission, Peter Ben Embarek, told CNN in a wide-ranging interview that the mission had found several signs of the more wide-ranging 2019 spread, including establishing for the first time there were over a dozen strains of the virus in Wuhan already in December. The team also had a chance to speak to the first patient Chinese officials said had been infected, an office worker in his 40s, with no travel history of note, reported infected on December 8.
The slow emergence of more detailed data gathered on the WHO's long-awaited trip into China may add to concerns voiced by other scientists studying the origins of the disease that it may have been spreading in China long before its first official emergence in mid-December.
Ben Embarek, who has just returned to Switzerland from Wuhan, told CNN: "The virus was circulating widely in Wuhan in December, which is a new finding."
From CNN headlines:
CNN Exclusive: WHO Wuhan mission finds possible signs of wider original outbreak in 2019
By Nick Paton Walsh, CNN
Updated 6:01 AM EST, Mon February 15, 2021
(CNN)Investigators from the World Health Organization (WHO) looking into the origins of coronavirus in China have discovered signs the outbreak was much wider in Wuhan in December 2019 than previously thought, and are urgently seeking access to hundreds of thousands of blood samples from the city that China has not so far let them examine.
The lead investigator for the WHO mission, Peter Ben Embarek, told CNN in a wide-ranging interview that the mission had found several signs of the more wide-ranging 2019 spread, including establishing for the first time there were over a dozen strains of the virus in Wuhan already in December. The team also had a chance to speak to the first patient Chinese officials said had been infected, an office worker in his 40s, with no travel history of note, reported infected on December 8.
The slow emergence of more detailed data gathered on the WHO's long-awaited trip into China may add to concerns voiced by other scientists studying the origins of the disease that it may have been spreading in China long before its first official emergence in mid-December.
Ben Embarek, who has just returned to Switzerland from Wuhan, told CNN: "The virus was circulating widely in Wuhan in December, which is a new finding."
I'm pretty sure China has tracked a potential patient 0 to around halfway November 2019 right?
Here's a great take from the GT. Apologise is the same as the others posted earlier. But this is more official, as it is from GT.
CHINA / DIPLOMACY
WHO experts slam NYT for twisting, misquoting their words on virus origins probe
By Liu Caiyu and Leng ShumeiPublished: Feb 14, 2021 01:36 PM
WHO experts who recently visited Wuhan slammed the New York Times for twisting their words and casting shadows over the efforts to uncover the origins of the virus, after the newspaper accused China of refusing to hand over sensitive data to WHO experts.
Chinese observers said they are not surprised by the New York Times’ baseless report given those in the Western media have insisted on politicizing the virus origins investigation.
The report by New York Times titled “On WHO Trip, China Refused to Hand Over Important Data” accuses China of failing to share important data that may help in identifying the origins of the virus and prevent future outbreaks.
After the report was published, two WHO experts slammed New York Times for misquoting them in the report to fit its own narrative, with the report casting a shadow over the scientific work of seeking for virus origin.
Peter Daszak, British zoologist and part of the WHO expert team, said on his personal Twitter that it’s shameful for New York Times to engage in selectively misquoting WHO experts to fit its own narrative.
Rest of article:
CHINA / DIPLOMACY
WHO experts slam NYT for twisting, misquoting their words on virus origins probe
By Liu Caiyu and Leng ShumeiPublished: Feb 14, 2021 01:36 PM
WHO experts who recently visited Wuhan slammed the New York Times for twisting their words and casting shadows over the efforts to uncover the origins of the virus, after the newspaper accused China of refusing to hand over sensitive data to WHO experts.
Chinese observers said they are not surprised by the New York Times’ baseless report given those in the Western media have insisted on politicizing the virus origins investigation.
The report by New York Times titled “On WHO Trip, China Refused to Hand Over Important Data” accuses China of failing to share important data that may help in identifying the origins of the virus and prevent future outbreaks.
After the report was published, two WHO experts slammed New York Times for misquoting them in the report to fit its own narrative, with the report casting a shadow over the scientific work of seeking for virus origin.
Peter Daszak, British zoologist and part of the WHO expert team, said on his personal Twitter that it’s shameful for New York Times to engage in selectively misquoting WHO experts to fit its own narrative.
Rest of article:
That is a total 180 from what he said before:
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If he is worried that vaccines would encourage the development of virus variants, he is welcome to stop vaccinating his own population any fucking time he wants.
The Drug Regulatory Authority of Pakistan has given the go-ahead to conduct trials of ZF2001, a drug co-developed by Anhui Zhifei Longcom Biologic Pharmacy Co. Ltd and the Institute of Microbiology of the Chinese Academy of Sciences.
Dr Shehnoor Azhar, the spokesperson of UHS, also confirmed the news to Geo.tv and further added that while most vaccines require single or two-doses, the ZF2001 vaccine is instead a three-dose jab.
In the third phase trial, he added, the vaccine will be administered to 10,000 participants at the UHS, the National Defense Hospital in Lahore and the Aga Khan Hospital in Karachi.
Some background check and analysis of COVAX:
The composition of COVAX is WHO, GAVI, CEPI and U.N. Chinldren's found.
WHO as a professional medical agency is like the regulators in countries. BUT with members from member states.
GAVI's primary financiers are in high to low order, UK, Bill Gates (USA), USA and Norway.
CEPI's funding order: Norway, Germany, Japan, Bill Gates (USA), European commission, UK, Canada etc.
Now, interesting look, isn't it? All the power (money) are mostly in the hands of overt anti-China hands or some minor covert anti-China hands. It is not a organization that China should get involved at all. Don't jump into the trap for others to beat you. It is just another G7. We know what happened to Russia when it was in the G8.
WHO as an "hired" bureaucrat can NOT act neutrally and professionally even if its members wanted to (I believe most of them do). Just look at what happened to Dr. Faucci.
So my thought is that, China's pledge to work with COVAX (providing vaccine) should be (or indeed being) lukewarm and perfunctory. That is, make a position of cooperation as a responsible country, but don't provide satisfactory data to get China's vaccine into the program (knowing the "partners" are going to bite you at every moment).
There are better ways to really contribute the world's population who deserve and appreciate China's effort, do it through bilateral channels. China can and is willing to work through western built systems, but if not treated fairly, China should walk its own way, build alternative world orders, just like Asian Infrastructure Investment Bank and New Development Bank against Asia Development Bank, World Bank and IMFs.
My final conclusion is that "I wish China's relation with COVAX to fade into obscurity".
The composition of COVAX is WHO, GAVI, CEPI and U.N. Chinldren's found.
WHO as a professional medical agency is like the regulators in countries. BUT with members from member states.
GAVI's primary financiers are in high to low order, UK, Bill Gates (USA), USA and Norway.
CEPI's funding order: Norway, Germany, Japan, Bill Gates (USA), European commission, UK, Canada etc.
Now, interesting look, isn't it? All the power (money) are mostly in the hands of overt anti-China hands or some minor covert anti-China hands. It is not a organization that China should get involved at all. Don't jump into the trap for others to beat you. It is just another G7. We know what happened to Russia when it was in the G8.
WHO as an "hired" bureaucrat can NOT act neutrally and professionally even if its members wanted to (I believe most of them do). Just look at what happened to Dr. Faucci.
So my thought is that, China's pledge to work with COVAX (providing vaccine) should be (or indeed being) lukewarm and perfunctory. That is, make a position of cooperation as a responsible country, but don't provide satisfactory data to get China's vaccine into the program (knowing the "partners" are going to bite you at every moment).
There are better ways to really contribute the world's population who deserve and appreciate China's effort, do it through bilateral channels. China can and is willing to work through western built systems, but if not treated fairly, China should walk its own way, build alternative world orders, just like Asian Infrastructure Investment Bank and New Development Bank against Asia Development Bank, World Bank and IMFs.
My final conclusion is that "I wish China's relation with COVAX to fade into obscurity".