spot on. this is where Russia will help with his influence. China have solid ties with Middle-eastern countries. also don't forget Central Asian/African countries.
COMAC C929 Widebody Airliner
- Thread starter Iron Man
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To do well in markets outside of Russia and China this would have to be heavily subsidized, as the capabilities will probably not be equal to that of Western airliners. That said, this is great news. The real CR929 project has been born for the first time. Hopefully the narrowbody airliner and regional jet are next.
China already found customer of ARJ-21 in Indonesia. TransNusa Airline will purchase 36 ARJ-21 ..
Edit - two Aircrafts have delivered.
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I do not think the CR-929 will initially have much of a market outside of China and Russia, because those countries will not be able to fly the plane to any Western countries.
But I don't think this is too much of a problem. The Chinese airlines market alone is big enough to absorb essentially all the production for the first 5~10 years after the CR-929 starts delivery. China can use it to fly practically to all the Central, South, Southeast and East Asian countries, as well as most countries in the ME and Oceania, and of course Russia and Africa (a stop over may be needed) too. That is a hell of a lot of CR-929 needed for these destinations.
Not sure if the CR-929 has the range to fly nonstop to Latin America.
By the time of the late 2030s, who know what will the global geopolitical climate be like then.
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Unless geopolitical circumstances change, COMAC jets won't be able to gain Certificates of Air Worthiness (CoA) issued by western countries. That means airlines operating under western Air Operator Certificates (AOC) won't be able to operate these planes. This however does not hinder foreign airlines (in this case Chinese, Russian, or any potential customer) from operating the CR929 into the west - case and point back in the day Aeroflot connected western countries (JFK, Heathrow, Paris) to the east (Tokyo, Delhi, Singapore) via Moscow using a fleet of Il-62s before longer ranged jets came out.
What I'm trying to get at is that AOC ≠ CoA
Western countries could outright ban foreign AOCs from operating into their borders as a way to prevent COMAC jets from ever laying foot onto their soil, but of course this could be reciprocated by China... and as you said so yourself, China itself is a large market. Doing so would be shooting themselves in the foot. This explains the west's current course of action to delay Sino-Russian jets as much as possible.
Neither can the 350 or the Triple/Dreamliner... not with a decent (or at least economically viable) commercial load anyway.
Thanks for your clarification. What you said is absolutely correct.
But any foreign buyer of CR-929 will also know that China's reunification with Taiwan is inevitable in the near future, and that it is almost a certainty that CR-929 will be among the sanction items, judging from the what happened to Russia over the Ukraine war.
I guess Mexico City and Honiara could become stopover locations for flights between East Asia and Latin America?
Mexico City has been used for connecting flights between East Asia and Latin America for quite a while now. So it's a no-brainer there.
Although, I kind of doubt that earlier variants of the CR-929 could reach that far across the Pacific without stopover refueling. Maybe later variants can, but either way, we'll have to wait and see.
Honiara, meanwhile, could become the Anchorage or Changi of the Southern Hemisphere by acting as a major connecting hub between Asia in general and Latin America as well, plus increasing the revenue for Honiara to aid in their development and growth. Setting a major connecting hub in Honiara would also bypass Australia, i.e. the smaller version of USA in the Western Pacific.
Even if Australia joints the other Western countries in banning CR-929, that would mean Mexico and the Solomon Islands stand to profit more from the Asia-Latin America flights.
Besides, Papua New Guinea, Vanuatu and New Caledonia can also join in the fun as well, should they wish.
Let the West fume from the sidelines. It's time for the Global South to shine.
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Without getting this thread off track into politics, China is just as (if not even more) intertwined into the global economy than Russia is. If the west hasn't learn their lesson from the failures of their sanction wars against Russia, well then they are utterly fxxked if they pull the same game plan against the PRC should Cross-Strait relations go hot. Walmart, Apple, and any other business that relies on outsourced Chinese manufacturing would be screaming bloody murder at the rise in their production costs.. all this in addition to the loss of access to the massive Chinese consumer market.
I'll leave it at that.
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Given the current and future trajectory of geopolitics, it makes a lot of sense to develop CR929 mostly relying on Russia and China suppliers or international suppliers with minimum sanction risks.
China actually has the capabilities to replace/develop many of the western subsystems in C919, even though they may not be at the same level. The logic of selecting suppliers back when C919 started was within a context that was quite different from the reality of today. For CR929, they should start with a development plan that is largely sanction-proof. Together, Russia and China can do that. However, they probably should make the engine choice flexible and optional, because both Russia and China have their own engine development programs. Having the option of choosing a western engine should also be helpful in selling to international market down the road.
In addition, if CR929 is developed mostly based on Russia and Chinese suppliers and subsystems, then CR929 can be considered for military uses right from the beginning, which may subsidize or lower the cost of development somewhat.
China actually has the capabilities to replace/develop many of the western subsystems in C919, even though they may not be at the same level. The logic of selecting suppliers back when C919 started was within a context that was quite different from the reality of today. For CR929, they should start with a development plan that is largely sanction-proof. Together, Russia and China can do that. However, they probably should make the engine choice flexible and optional, because both Russia and China have their own engine development programs. Having the option of choosing a western engine should also be helpful in selling to international market down the road.
In addition, if CR929 is developed mostly based on Russia and Chinese suppliers and subsystems, then CR929 can be considered for military uses right from the beginning, which may subsidize or lower the cost of development somewhat.
i know its off topic. but West don't have balls. China basically runs the global economy. US hitting record inflation and thinking of removing some tariffs on Chinese goods. LOOL