COMAC C929 Widebody Airliner

sunnymaxi

sunnymaxi

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gelgoog said:
inevitable massive inflation hits China
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hope you understand how Chinese economy works. currently China have one of the lowest inflation in the world. US has very little leverage left on economic front to confront with PRC. US is about hit recession. first and second quarter GDP recorded negative growth. recent lockdown in Shanghai and world busiest port was for purpose.
 
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gelgoog

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China still needs to import raw materials and things like semiconductors. They aren't immune to price rises on those categories. The US huge monetary infusion will affect the world prices of everything starting with oil, gas, and coal. Since those are to a large extent indexed on oil prices and that is priced in dollars. It typically takes at least one or two years after printing money for inflation to hit consumer prices. And in the meantime the US can binge buy anything that isn't nailed down basically. Which is what they have been doing.
 
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xia3962243

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gelgoog said:
I get it that China prefers to have its own native industry. As can be seen with what happened with Russia, where the West just screwed them over after all the aircraft they bought from them now get no parts and service, you just can't trust foreign suppliers anyway. Not with anything strategic like transportation sector. Russia will have trouble next with gas turbines for electric power generation they imported from the West. You will see.

China also had a bad experience with how the MiG-21 tech transfer was done in Soviet times and I guess they never quite forgot about it. But the thing is, you can't just expect to do a complex project like this without outside help and expect to succeed, the result we can see in Indian projects. Like Kaveri engine. You always get a half baked piece of crap which does not work properly.

Everyone knows in the long run China expects to do the same thing with aviation they did with the high speed rail purchases. Anyone with half a brain at least. Which is why the West will try to kill the major Chinese aviation projects. You will see. Contrary to their rail industry, the aviation industry has huge political power in those countries and is joined to the hip with the MIC. You already had no engines for MA-700 and had never ending ice tests for C919 in Canada. Russia has the largest airspace on Earth because of, well, geography. So it is in China's own best interest to keep decent relations with the Russian government in the aviation space. Try drawing a line from China to North America someday.

Russia is also a not insignificant aviation market by itself. It has huge land area and cities are quite spread out. So allowing Russia to sell some parts or aircraft in exchange for getting access to their market isn't a particularly bad idea either. It also mitigates risk in case crap happens. Russia is in a weak enough position China could make them go into a joint venture with a Chinese company to setup factories with a full production cycle in China proper like they did with Western automobiles. Boeing and Airbus will never do it.
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Various media in China will not report CR929 now
Insiders are also pessimistic about cooperation with Russia
Russia is now nothing more than using Soviet heritage
It's arrogant without new technology
The Russian poor have no money and no technology
China itself solves the all-composite wing problem
We want Russia to fuck off now
We have money, we hire Antonov engineers, retired engineers from Airbus and Boeing
How can you still think that Russia is omnipotent?
we don't like laomaozi
 
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MortyandRick

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xia3962243 said:
Various media in China will not report CR929 now
Insiders are also pessimistic about cooperation with Russia
Russia is now nothing more than using Soviet heritage
It's arrogant without new technology
The Russian poor have no money and no technology
China itself solves the all-composite wing problem
We want Russia to fuck off now
We have money, we hire Antonov engineers, retired engineers from Airbus and Boeing
How can you still think that Russia is omnipotent?
we don't like laomaozi
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You sound like a "jai hind" trying bad mouth Russia pretending to be Chinese. Don't worry, Russia and China cooperation will only deepen to challenge the west. They won't back stab eachother.
 
TerraN_EmpirE

TerraN_EmpirE

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Gentleman the topic please.
Let me help
AV week has a headline. But story is paywalled
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Similar stories are floating with the gust of it being that CRIAC is looking to domestic configurations using Chinese and Russian parts due to sanctions…
[sarcasm] which I am sure wouldn’t delay delivery by another good chunk of a decade [/sarcasm]

The source seems to be the Russian side, Denis Manturov ministry of Trade from the Kremlin.
Makes sense they are the ones currently under the most sanctions and getting hit with the most restrictions. But market wise are the significantly smaller market position. So if this is actually a reflection of the reality or a push by the Russians to try and bring China into Russian coordination? An Oped from the SCMP from March 15 ( guessing already read) probably more closely reflects the Chinese side pushing more of a C929R with more Chinese systems.

Given the age of Russian indigenous airliners other than the Superjet and MC21 they are all relics from the late Cold War. The bulk of Russian Airliners in modern service were leased from Western firms based off Boeing or Airbus planes. With current sanctions and Cold War era flight restrictions back most are grounded with limited parts other than cannibalising them. This short term can keep them flying but longer term is a disaster in the making. I have heard claims that China is supposed to be assisting in this but that would likely cause similar problems for them.
Russia has industry but a lot of the modern systems are international.

Comac I suspect had hoped to get wide access to the international market before launch a Sino centric product as Even its claimed ambitions of breaking the Duopoly would have been as a smaller member even in the Chinese market due to limitations on production capacity vs Market demand and the deeply established support system in airlines.
Just as The Western governments can’t flip a switch and disconnect from a deeply rooted Chinese production system. Neither can the CCP flip a switch and disconnect the service and systems support integrated into Chinese aviation from Boeing, Airbus, GE, Sanfan, RR, Rockwell Collins and the like.

My personal opinion has been that long run Comac would end up with the 919 and 929 with two packages for aircraft engines and avionics offered to potential buyers.

One the initial 929 with Western sets offered to serve Indigenous airlines with a deep seated logistical and support network of foreign aircraft. As well as export to nations with similar western support. This reporting may indicate that this potential is for the moment a dead end.

Two a C929 Chinese centric series with Chinese engines and avionics for more state centric airlines as well as potentially longer term to take national defense related missions. like VVIP flights and National defense missions.

Three UAC CR929 with a Russo centric model with Russian engines and systems would be created to serve Russian and states of the CIS who have a strong Kremlin centric system. For both commercial and defense missions. The Russians seem to be pushing hard for this possibly hoping that this and only this configuration is built.
 
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