COMAC C919

AndrewS

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Will China made a commercial aircraft with 100% Chinese parts? I don't think so, unless Biden succeeded in banning all suppliers to do business with China, but then there will be a few Western companies setting up R&D centres and factories in China, developed parts free from US technologies and sell them to COMAC and others.

Theoretically, Chinese companies could replicate any and all foreign parts.

And because China is still on average a middle-income country and the scale of the Chinese market, those Chinese replacement parts would be lower cost or higher performance, given enough development time.

In the long term, it should be very profitable, after the initial development time and costs.
 

TOKYO DRIFT ABC

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me again ...

The image you have post ''C919 western components/parts'' is already been outdated for years..

Tires , Landing Gear system , Avionics , Radars , Glass cockpit and Auxiliary Power Unit from next year onward will be localized. all materials and machine tool have been replaced too. and the most important thing, Civil aviation aircraft assembling and design software have been localized too.

CrownCAD software was so hard. that China faced many difficulties but they have achieved complete independence. Chinese company claimed ''its CrownCAD has two key core technologies that are completely independent: "3D geometric modeling engine DGM" and "geometric constraint solver DCS"

CJ-1000A engine nacelle design and manufactured by AECC CAS.. nacelle of High bypass turbofan engine is complex as engine itself. very few companies have technology to produce.
Any sources on this?
 

sunnymaxi

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Any sources on this?
i have post a lot information regarding C919 localization rate and components/parts suppliers.. but i m Quoting my older massages here for you..

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A report by Zhongtai Securities showed that the localization rate of the C919 is around 60 percent. In 2017, Wu Guanghui, chief designer of the C919, told Caixin that the plane has millions of interfaces, which are related to the connection between multiple systems such as hydraulics and avionics. He said the design scheme of the aircraft is the core intellectual property of COMAC.

"Although the localization rate of the aircraft is around 60 percent, it is still a good start," Qi Qi, a market watcher said, explaining that making planes involves global division of labor and no country can build an aircraft all by itself.

during Zhuhai air show they confirmed about localization rate. reached at 60 percent by 2021-2022.
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this 60 percent include JVs with western suppliers currently producing in mainland. now what is the percentage of those JVs. this is secret between COMAC and that supplier. nobody can tell you. but if COMAC itself confirmed about 60 percent localization it means they have core technology of that component/part

for example. at the beginning cockpit was a joint venture in between AVIC and GE. as per the current update, GE withdrew.

Cockpit of the C919 currently producing two AVIC subsidies

AVIC Shanghai Aviation Electric Co., Ltd., and Shangdian Institute is AVIC Radio Electronics Research Institute

SEEC is solely responsible for the control panel components around the pilot and the dimming control system (CPAs&DCS) work package, which is the human-machine interface for the pilot to control; at the same time, it also provides the integrated circuit breaker board (ICBP) work package at the rear of the cockpit .

SEC is responsible for the cockpit display system and A664 network switch, which are the key subsystems and components of the avionics system. The most conspicuous ones are the five large LCD screens arranged in a T shape.

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another example. landing gear system of ARJ-21/C919

it was joint venture established by Liebherr and AVIC with 50/50 shareholding started operate in 2014 in Changsha city, Hunan province

in September 2016, Liebherr and AVIC completed and deliver first landing gear of ARJ-21 in China and all core parts were imported.

in September 2018, Liebherr and AVIC assembled and deliver first landing gear of C919 and all core parts were imported.

in 2019, Chinese local suppliers have replaced key forgings parts of the landing gear like main outer cylinder forgings and outer precision wheel hubs. those Chinese companies are Erzhong Wanhang and southwest Aluminum.


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as you can see. initially COMAC happily imported core components in JVs coz they didn't have choice but as China continue to climbing up in value supply chain. they started to replace parts in JVs too..

Edit - i forgot to add. 16 major Joint ventures were established in 2009-2015 time period. and there is a lot tech transfer happened during that time. all JVs were 50/50 partnership with local suppliers. western firms wanted market share and money hence happily join hands.
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Please read my older post i have Quote below. if anyone didn't read. very informative and give us the idea of C919 localization rate..

16 major Joint ventures were established in 2009-2015 time period. and there is a lot tech transfer happened during that time. all JVs were 50/50 partnership with local suppliers. western firms wanted market share and money hence happily join hands..




most of Joint ventures are now sourcing components/material from local firms.

for example,

Landing Gear system was also a joint venture and up until 2019 they were importing all components and parts but that has changed now. in 2019, Chinese local suppliers have replaced key forgings parts of the landing gear like main outer cylinder forgings and outer precision wheel hubs. those Chinese companies are Erzhong Wanhang and southwest Aluminum..
 

lcloo

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A chartered C919 from China Eastern flew to Hong Kong on the morning of June 1st, and back to Shanghai on the same day with a planeload of Hong Kong university students for a study visit.

This is the first commercial flight of C919 outside Mainland China, albeit within China's territory.

(Note: Greater China is consist of Mainland China, Hong Kong SAR, Macau SAR and Taiwan province under ROC).
 
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by78

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China Eastern's 7th C919 conducted its maiden test flight (lasting five hours) on June 3rd.

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