COMAC C919

Mischa

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Most of the foreign components were included through public bidding. On this list, most of the foreign components have domestic counterparts. I'm sure there was also some behind the scenes negotiations to purposely include foreign suppliers in order to pave the way for FAA and EASA approvals. The only real showstopper is the engine. The reason there isn't already C919 options for things like the landing gear and tires is because COMAC took the path of least resistance. This is the general trend of development that most of China's high tech projects take. They accelerate development by taking the lowest cost, fastest approach to realize project goals. Then, once the integrated platform is certified, they move towards greater indigenization. This is the general development trend worldwide nowadays. It's only in China's case where analysts focus so much on the indigenous content because it's under such constant sanctions threat, as you suggested.
Couldn't agree more. I want to compliment that not only for FAA and EASA approvals, but even to take the certificate from CAAC, COMAC has no choice but to choose mature western suppliers. The regulation of CAAC is exactly the same as FAA. Every critical component on the aircraft must also have a certificate or is probable to attain a certificate. China could not wait until every domestic supplier to fulfill such a target. On the other hand, it is not easy for domestic suppliers to be certificated and provide critical devices to existing aircraft like 737 and A320. The suppliers also need a platform to grow. So they choose to launch the platform C919 first, and gradually lead the domestic suppliers to be qualified.
 

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I'm curious to know, but how so?
Just my personal opinions. A major advantage of converting a civil aircraft to a military one is the cost. But civil aircraft have very rigorous regulations due to safety. A typical example is that their fuselages are round and apply a traditional layout, due to the evacuation requirement. It is not the most efficient design from an aerodynamic aspect. Military aircraft do not need to follow such regulations, they can pursue more on performance, let's say a BWB layout aerial tanker. Besides, we can not ignore the increasing importance of UAV and new technologies: e.g. distribute AWA(C)S.
 

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Behind C919: China's path to first self-developed large passenger aircraft


On a field outside the Shanghai Aircraft Manufacturing Center of Commercial Aircraft Corporation of China (COMAC) are two airplanes – a Y-10 jet and an MD-82 jet. They've been parked there for over 30 years, and although they can't fly anymore, the duo still holds great significance to China's aviation sector as they have laid the foundation for and witnessed the development of the C919.

The C919 is China's first homegrown large passenger plane. It's a milestone in the country's pursuit of civil planes designed and manufactured locally.

The model, which is trying to compete with medium-range passenger planes, such as Airbus A320 and Boeing 737 MAX, was granted
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by the Civil Aviation Administration of China on Thursday.

Developing a large passenger aircraft is a long process. The birth of the C919 has experienced ups and downs throughout five decades of efforts.

China's self-developed jet airliner Y-10, with a narrow body and four engines, took its maiden flight on September 26, 1980. After that, it conducted many experimental flights nationwide. However, progress halted in 1982 as China's manufacturing capacity at the time was not sufficient to carry on with such a large project.

A few years later, the Shanghai Aviation Industrial Corporation, in partnership with U.S. firm McDonnell Douglas, developed the MD-82, also a narrow-body jet airliner, which took its inaugural flight in July 1987.

In 1995, the two sides began working on assembling the MD-90. However, McDonnell Douglas underwent a merger in December 1996 and cooperation with the Chinese side stopped.

China then cooperated with other countries to carry on developing civil aircraft, such as developing the AE-100 with France and Italy, but those projects did not end well.

'Core technology of large aircraft can't be bought'

"We came to a conclusion that the core technology of large aircraft can't be bought with money, nor be exchanged with the market," Zhang Yanzhong, an advisor to the C919 program and also a member of the Chinese Academy of Engineering, told CMG.

With the release of the National Outline for Medium-and-Long Term Scientific and Technological Development by the Chinese government in 2006, the development of homegrown large aircraft came into public sight for the first time and has since picked up speed.

Some were not confident in the early stage, given the R&D and manufacturing of large aircraft are very complicated involving technologies in new materials, electronic information, machinery manufacturing, automation, and high-end equipment.

With previous experiences, China decided to develop a regional jet, which would serve as an ice breaker for later moves, such as applying for a certificate of airworthiness. The ARJ21, a 78–90 seat regional jet manufactured by COMAC, came into being.

The first ARJ21 rolled off the assembly line on December 21, 2007. In the following six years, the ARJ21 completed over 5,000 hours of flight and 300 experimental tasks, becoming the jet that took the longest flight test in the world at the time.
In 2007, the project for developing the C919 was approved.

Main manufacturer-supplier model

"Based on the experience of the previous 50 years, shutting oneself up in a room making an aircraft was hard to get a certificate of airworthiness, but international cooperation can be limited by others," Zhang said.

Thus China adopted the "main manufacturer-supplier model," he added.

Under the model, the overall design and integration are usually the responsibility of the main manufacturer, while the system is subcontracted to the supplier.

The model, which has become the rule for developing civil aircraft internationally, makes effective use of resources, reduces costs, and shortens the delivery process, according to a thesis co-authored by Zhang Jiejing from COMAC.

The C919 narrow-body jet is China's first trunk jetliner developed in accordance with international standards of airworthiness and with independent intellectual property rights.

It has a wingspan of nearly 36 meters, a length of about 39 meters, and a tail height of around 12 meters, carrying up to 192 passengers for up to 5,555 km.

The C919 project has involved over 300,000 people from over 1,000 enterprises from over 20 provinces and cities of China, Wu Guanghui, the chief designer of the C919 and a member of the Chinese Academy of Engineering, told CMG.

Overseas suppliers, such as General Electric, Honeywell and Rockwell Collins, also took part in it, Wu said.
 

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Excellent 4k videos and nice screen captures.


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