COMAC C919 - China's first modern airliner

SinoSoldier said:

So the Chinese aren't allowed to bail out their exporters and/or reward them for going abroad? What kind of a deal is this?

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Hey at least Chinese didn't have to bail out any of their own too big to failed bankers and corporations with their own tax money.

Reality in the market.
US had filed several complaint against various new comers into US led industry.The one I remember the most is the communication satellite where Europe came in when I believe Lockheed had a monopoly in the 70's.
Some won by the Americans some lost.
After rulings by WTO, negotiations are made of returning funds from the company to the government so the price of of end product is leveled to match cost before government funding had been introduced so to ensure fair competition.

SamuraiBlue said:

Simple Airbus didn't provide the support hub in Japan like Boeing did since Airbus did not see a large enough market in Japan alone which had been dominated by Boeing and would be spilling money. Remember the Chicken or the egg analogy I in my earlier post well, airbus just took the later road. That is all.

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LOL, so Airbus which has gone toe to toe with Boeing, even beating them, in every corner of the world didn't know how to or want to put a 'support hub' in japan, a major aviation market ? Dude, we're not in Disneyland.

SamuraiBlue said:

Talk about belittling oneself, making comments about conspiracy. I guess that will be your defense if C919 does not make a dashing entry to the west.
Grow up, Japan had seen western resistance in to their market from the 50's. Some made it, some didn't the only thing that made it work was their dedicated perseverance that they will succeed and not talk about any petty conspiracy theories.

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Who says anything about conspiracy ? It's well known US 'has a lot of influence' on japan's major decisions, just to put it nicely. Just ask the Europeans. It's only a 'conspiracy' to those who's not knowledgeable about international geo-politics.
No conspiracy too as to the west making it tough for C919. That's a common business practice to deal with your competitors.
Speaking of conspiracy, guess who came up with ideas like 'japan bashing' & 'The japan that can say no' when faced with western obstacles.

Japan's YPX seems pretty promising, considering the technical expertise and history of Kawasaki. Breaking into the Western market has been a tough phase for almost any international vendor sharing a niche with a domestic US brand.

Equation said:

Hey at least Chinese didn't have to bail out any of their own too big to failed bankers and corporations with their own tax money.

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And who did in a big way and almost bankrupt the whole country in 1990s ? and lost 2 decades after that

I recently read that projected air travel in China might have overestimated.They were losing custom to HSR.An ever expanding service with speeds possibly reaching up to 500kph, why bother with flying?

SamuraiBlue said:

First the US filed similar complaints when EU was financing AB developing one of their airplane.
Second WTO only counts for international transaction and does not have any jurisdiction within domestic market.

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That's how Obama rolls. Just like spinning rare earths China cheaply produces as not dumping onto world markets. The same argument from people who complain about unfair trade can be made on rare earths yet critics manage to make it not to be about unfair trade. China loses its domestic jurisdiction and is forced through the WTO to sell cheap rare earths to the world. The US and other countries have plenty of their own rare earth elements so the critics can't really claim China has them all. If China's domestic jurisdiction can be violated and forced through slave labor and dangerous working conditions to make sure the world is supplied with cheap rare earths, why not with domestic airplanes also?

Does anyone have any information regarding the ARJ21-900 or the stretched variants of the C919?

It's not particulally Obama that is behind it, it's capitalism demanding fair competition.
The WTO rules I believe accepts government loans on private projects but not direct funding in which does not required to be returned.
If you have a grudge tell it to WTO since I don't make the rules.

Equation said:

Hey at least Chinese didn't have to bail out any of their own too big to failed bankers and corporations with their own tax money.

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Are you sure about that? Who do you think are footing the NPL's and non performing SOE's? The difference is the lack of transparency and reporting as to what is going on.