COMAC C919 - China's first modern airliner
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Lieutenant General
For now, but not forever. That's why so many doubters, naysayers, and haters of COMAC are sweating their balls about it. Boeing/ Airbus empires can not live on lower profit margarine or else they wouldn't be able to survive.
TerraN_EmpirE
Tyrant King
Equation, My friend Buisness is buisness, Markets are based on competition.
If Threatened Boeing will adapt. that's how they have survived well other have left the market. AB will Subsidize it's practically state owned anyway.
Additionally I called them Empires for a reason they build far more than just airliners. Comac can step in but the questions are how well can they stand. Only time can tell that.
If Threatened Boeing will adapt. that's how they have survived well other have left the market. AB will Subsidize it's practically state owned anyway.
Additionally I called them Empires for a reason they build far more than just airliners. Comac can step in but the questions are how well can they stand. Only time can tell that.
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Lieutenant General
All business requires capital or low interests rates if borrowing. Isn't those companies such as Boeing and Airbus are based in countries that are high in costs to run a business? Why do you think they send some of their productions to China in the first place? No capital = no business.
TerraN_EmpirE
Tyrant King
Except the production price for foreign makers in China is on the rise. The Main driver for making in the PRC these days is selling to the PRC. if you have a maker that pushes them out of the Chinese markets they will take a blow but then just consolidate. Buisness is Buisness, If they don't want your wares don't sell them.
Yet at it's route one factor your failing to consider is that the growth capacity of China's civil air is likely to be large enough that Comac and the big two will be able to compete on a even standing for some time. It will take years for Comac to expand it's production rate to meet demand that means Boeing and AB have time. And the chinese market is not the only Market. the Rest of Asia, Europe Oceania, and Americas. AB and Boeing have establish supply and maintenance chains meaning they can offer lower service costs then a startup. Also not everyone is willing to buy Chinese in this case.
So in the End Comac has a lot of work to do if it really aims to put Boeing and AB out of business. Yet Comac can go places where AB or Boeing are unlikely to meaning they have growth potential as well . Africa, Iran and Cuba, North Korea and Eritrea Places where Boeing is or is likely to be bared by Sanction or economics but where the PRC has no blocks.
Yet it all depends on that major Critical Factor of the Future, If this is infact as good a Aircraft as it looks then they can pull it off perhaps we will see the follow ons . If this proves to be like the Comac ARJ then it might just end up with a hand full or orders and a debacle.
Yet at it's route one factor your failing to consider is that the growth capacity of China's civil air is likely to be large enough that Comac and the big two will be able to compete on a even standing for some time. It will take years for Comac to expand it's production rate to meet demand that means Boeing and AB have time. And the chinese market is not the only Market. the Rest of Asia, Europe Oceania, and Americas. AB and Boeing have establish supply and maintenance chains meaning they can offer lower service costs then a startup. Also not everyone is willing to buy Chinese in this case.
So in the End Comac has a lot of work to do if it really aims to put Boeing and AB out of business. Yet Comac can go places where AB or Boeing are unlikely to meaning they have growth potential as well . Africa, Iran and Cuba, North Korea and Eritrea Places where Boeing is or is likely to be bared by Sanction or economics but where the PRC has no blocks.
Yet it all depends on that major Critical Factor of the Future, If this is infact as good a Aircraft as it looks then they can pull it off perhaps we will see the follow ons . If this proves to be like the Comac ARJ then it might just end up with a hand full or orders and a debacle.
Equation
Lieutenant General
True, but Boeing and Airbus needs the large Chinese market to keep up with growth and stock values because the current major markets has already been saturated. Even a stagnation could risk a slow down therefore lower profit margarine and unhappy investors and workers as well.
TerraN_EmpirE
Tyrant King
the Future is a finicky mistress and a Tease of one my Friend, She likes to give glimpses and Sideways smiles but she never tells all her secrets.
Can we please get back topic? That means no economic/Boeing/Airbus discussions/Nationalist pissing contests.
Let's keep the discussion technical and civil.
Let's keep the discussion technical and civil.
lcloo
Captain
That was just an assumption, COMAC is still at baby stage, and if they can produced half the output rate of Airbus or Boeing, that would be quite an achievement for a new start-up company. And the current buyers will wait because these companies are partly state owned.
If you follow President Xi's foreign visit to US and Europe, the orders for hundreds of Airbus and Boeing passenger jets always follow his foot steps. This shows central government's direct influence on Chinese airliners' acquisition of passenger jets.