Actually I think the large Euroasia landmass would create a market for a airliner with the projected capabilities of an aircraft such as the C929
COMAC C919 - China's first modern airliner
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Actually I think the large Euroasia landmass would create a market for a airliner with the projected capabilities of an aircraft such as the C929
There is nothing wrong with buying plenty of Boeing and Airbus jet. China runs huge trading surplus with Western countries and any trade relationship only works in long term if both sides are buying from each other.
The importance of ARJ-21 and C919 is just to lift the manufacturing capabilities of China's aerospace industry. As long as COMAC manages to develop a healthy industry, I think you have to be pleased with it.
There are already more than capable airliners in that class like B787, A350 and A330.
OK. Then how about your own reasoning which I highlighted above?As in shipbuilding there is a big learning curve in building a 2500ton frigate and a 8000T+ destroyer/cruiser.
b787
Captain
You do not understand what i say because you do not know the History of Airbus, Airbus is not the Model COMAC is based, Comac has more the model of UAC and Tupolev and Sukhoi, both China and Russia have a communist past, and so their respective aircraft industries.hmm, you really confuse me. I don't really get what you want to say.
All along, I was trying to say that Airbus/Europe is on the same class/comparable to Comac/China, therefor, we should watch Comac's development, stragtegy, tactics etc along the Airbus line, RATHER than Bombardier, Embraer, and Sukhoi and MRJ's line. Now, what you said above just supports my point. What were we arguing about all this time?
I suspect there was a misunderstanding, so I will stop here.
Airbus is based upon a the idea that several European countries could not afford to make aircraft like B-767 and B-757 because the competition was going to be with the US and Soviet aerospace industries and their weakness was their economies were too small (France, Germany, Italy, Spain, The Netherlands, England) to invest in their local industries without losses.
BAC 111 this was a British Aircraft
BAC trident
Vickers VC-10
As you can see only the British had three aircraft comparable to the B-727, DC-9, Il-62
France had the Dassault Mercure comparable to B-737
So no, COMAC has not developed in the same way, Airbus is an alliance of aerospace industries from different countries.
When England, Spain, France, Germany and other European countries made Airbus A-300 they were sharing, All these countries are sharing Profits. they had the technical capability by themselves of going alone but not the market, these characteristics makes Airbus like Embraer.
Russia`s UAC (United aircraft corporation) is more like COMAC, and MS-21 more like C919.
Both of these aerospace Industries will try to expel the Airbus and Boeing Aircraft of their respective countries, the ultimate goal of MS-21 is to have a Russian made aircraft with the least foreign Parts, same is C919 in fact the policy of COMAC is have all parts made in China.
Airbus is not like that, and the root of their success, was and is they share, Boeing understood that and offered Japan a partnership on B-767, B-777, and B-787.
COMAC forced up to a degree that Both Airbus and Boeing share some technologies with China when they established their respective aircraft manufacturing plants in China.
C919 has the expectation that they will be able to have domestic orders secure from the Chinese government and that if C919 is successful in China they will be able later to export it.
It may happen, but since Russia will do the same in the CIS area, MRJ will do the same in Japan, the USA and EU up to a degree they think their lead in the export market will guarantee that most rivals will fail and will force them to either go bankrupt or negotiate deals with Boeing and Airbus.
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TerraN_EmpirE
Tyrant King
C919 max load is 168 seats. stretched aims for 190 seats
MC21 200 targets 176 seats. but cranks it up with stretched variants going up to the MC21-400 at 230 seats.
A330 starts at 375 max seating for the A330-200 A340 takes it up to 440 max on the A340-600
C929 goes to 290 passengers With the Comac 939 maybe 390. any bigger you're getting into 747/380 class flying passenger liners complete with lounges and small casinos.
SamuraiBlue
Captain
Talks for a 929 development project is still too early since 919 still haven't taken off. I believe COMAC will wait to see the primary test results as well as acceptance of 919 in the global market before actually heading into another development project.
lcloo
Captain
From official website of COMAC
"C919" is the short form of trunk liner code for "COMAC919". COMAC is the acronym of the Commercial Aircraft Corporation of China, Ltd. The letter "C" is the first letter of both "COMAC" and "China". It indicates that this trunk liner program is the will of China and her people. It is a short-medium range commercial trunk liner that can claim indigenous intellectual property.
Its all-economy class layout entails 168 seats, and the hybrid class layout 156 seats. The basic version is designed to cover a range of 4,075 km, while the enhanced version can stretch to 5,555 km.
Such designs may satisfy the operating demands for different routes. Its economic life is designed to be 90,000 flying hours/30 calendar years
"C919" is the short form of trunk liner code for "COMAC919". COMAC is the acronym of the Commercial Aircraft Corporation of China, Ltd. The letter "C" is the first letter of both "COMAC" and "China". It indicates that this trunk liner program is the will of China and her people. It is a short-medium range commercial trunk liner that can claim indigenous intellectual property.
Its all-economy class layout entails 168 seats, and the hybrid class layout 156 seats. The basic version is designed to cover a range of 4,075 km, while the enhanced version can stretch to 5,555 km.
Such designs may satisfy the operating demands for different routes. Its economic life is designed to be 90,000 flying hours/30 calendar years
preliminary design probably began already though
SamuraiBlue
Captain
That I can understand but way too early to finalize anything at the moment.
Well, I think it is very realistic time to seriously consider it.
C929 and even beyond (C939??) were already in the road map at the beginning of China's commercial jet project when COMAC was not even officially established. It was in the mid-long term plan (one encompass several five-year plan). So I am sure that C929 is at least on the drawing board and in the wind tunnel already.