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GZDRefugee

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Oh shit, I can't believe I forgot about this. BM:W's font choice for captions is complete garbo. There is not enough outline on the text to provide contrast, most evident in the opening where it's white text on white clouds. White fill with black outlines can be seen on every colour background.
 
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GZDRefugee said:
Oh shit, I can't believe I forgot about this. BM:W's font choice for captions is complete garbo. There is not enough outline on the text to provide contrast, most evident in the opening where it's white text on white clouds. White fill with black outlines can be seen on every colour background.
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One issue that people noticed for live streaming the game was that the text was too small. It may have helped if there was an option to increase the size but sadly there was none.
 
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If China drops censorship, it will dominate each and every channel of entertainment, and I mean every channel
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True that.

A tentpole game with massive Western IP developed by a dominant Western AAA publisher is premiering smack in the middle of BM:Wukong's debut window.

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Laymen would think this Western AAA would simply wash away that Chinese flash-in-a-pan by virtue of Star Wars --I mean it's Star Fucking Wars! -- and UbiSoft versus some monkey from China and an unknown Chinese company.

And this is what happened:

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Chinese entertainment can compete even against the most established and iconic Western IPs. MiHoyo already established that in mobile games. Now Game Science in AAA. We need just a bit more freedom from the Chinese censors and more domestic investment from the likes of Tencent and Netease.
 
Staedler

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GiantPanda said:
True that.

A tentpole game with massive Western IP developed by a dominant Western AAA publisher is premiering smack in the middle of BM:Wukong's debut window.

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Laymen would think this Western AAA would simply wash away that Chinese flash-in-a-pan by virtue of Star Wars --I mean it's Star Fucking Wars! -- and UbiSoft versus some monkey from China and an unknown Chinese company.

And this is what happened:

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Chinese entertainment can compete even against the most established and iconic Western IPs. MiHoyo already established that in mobile games. Now Game Science in AAA. We need just a bit more freedom from the Chinese censors and more domestic investment from the likes of Tencent and Netease.
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If you're watched any bit of people playing Star Wars Outlaws, it seems to be absolute crap.

NPCs invulnerable to explosives but you still take damage.
Can't use ladders without automatically dropping carried weapons.
Animals are impenetrable immovable objects and any vehicle will total itself when crashing into one.
Enemies can lose you simply by climbing 1 inch into a vent right in front of them. Something they lose you for no reason at all even when you're standing still in front of them.
Super jank movements and collision with terrain and other models.

There's also all sorts of game-impacting bugs (not just UI elements like BM:W). So part it is western studios having committed to delivering flaming turds recently.
 
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GiantPanda

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Staedler said:
If you're watched any bit of people playing Star Wars Outlaws, it seems to be absolute crap.

NPCs invulnerable to explosives but you still take damage.
Can't use ladders without automatically dropping carried weapons.
Animals are impenetrable immovable objects and any vehicle will total itself when crashing into one.
Enemies can lose you simply by climbing 1 inch into a vent right in front of them. Something they lose you for no reason at all even when you're standing still in front of them.
Super jank movements and collision with terrain and other models.

There's also all sorts of game-impacting bugs (not just UI elements like BM:W). So part it is western studios having committed to delivering flaming turds recently.
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Nice report!

It is really a combination of technical competence plus storytelling and execution.

A Chinese company like Game Science is capable of matching an elite AAA Western stalwart like UbiSoft (Assassin's Creed, Far Cry and a long list of A1 IPs -- Star Wars, Tom Clancy, Avatar) with a game that is raved about for its beauty, look only its looks but its feel. It doesn't feel like a first time AAA game from a company that never did one before.

And then you have the story and content. Western entertainment IP had been dominant in our lifetime -- look at the Marvel universe in China until just very recently. Star Wars is among the greatest Western IPs ever created. But it is being outpaced by a character from Chinese cultural lore.

I see so much potential going forward. This is like autos. Chinese firms are only starting to be known to the West but these companies had been honed by years of domestic competition. Game Science is not the only Chinese company capable of this from a technical standpoint. I can imagine the quality of the miHoyo AAA project.

Storytelling from not just games but movies, dramas and animations have been fantastic in the past few years.

I think we're on the edge of a take off.
 
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GiantPanda said:
Nice report!

It is really a combination of technical competence plus storytelling and execution.

A Chinese company like Game Science is capable of matching an elite AAA Western stalwart like UbiSoft (Assassin's Creed, Far Cry and a long list of A1 IPs -- Star Wars, Tom Clancy, Avatar) with a game that is raved about for its beauty, look only its looks but its feel. It doesn't feel like a first time AAA game from a company that never did one before.

And then you have the story and content. Western entertainment IP had been dominant in our lifetime -- look at the Marvel universe in China until just very recently. Star Wars is among the greatest Western IPs ever created. But it is being outpaced by a character from Chinese cultural lore.

I see so much potential going forward. This is like autos. Chinese firms are only starting to be known to the West but these companies had been honed by years of domestic competition. Game Science is not the only Chinese company capable of this from a technical standpoint. I can imagine the quality of the miHoyo AAA project.

Storytelling from not just games but movies, dramas and animations have been fantastic in the past few years.

I think we're on the edge of a take off.
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Honestly you're kinda overhyping ubisoft. They might have tons of money but they've not been at the forefront for a long time. Ubisoft is the GM of the gaming world, zombie company somehow still floating. If I'd say which are the actual elite right now, it's Fromsoft, Valve, and then maybe CD project red and Mihoyo.
 
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Index said:
Honestly you're kinda overhyping ubisoft. They might have tons of money but they've not been at the forefront for a long time. Ubisoft is the GM of the gaming world, zombie company somehow still floating. If I'd say which are the actual elite right now, it's Fromsoft, Valve, and then maybe CD project red and Mihoyo.
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UbiSoft, like GM, might not be at the cutting edge but they are still both major Western firms in their respective industries. In fact, they represent state of the Western industry more than the new cutting edge companies like FromSoft.

So what is the forefront or cutting edge in AAA right now? FromSoft in AAA? Is Elden Ring something that Game Science can't match or do better?

Or is FromSoftmore like Tesla which is better than GM, Ford, Stellantis and the rest of the Western industry's current rank and file but still needs tariffs to be protected from BYD and the other Chinese firms?

Valve? Counter Strike and DOTA (which basically is an offshoot of WarCraft) don't seem very advanced to me. I don't think Chinese firms are far behind or behind at all to even the best Western firms in AAA.

My point is Wukong and the AAA games coming up (Phantom Blade Zero, Where Winds Meet, etc.) show that the Chinese industry can match up technically with the West on their initial tries. UbiSoft is a good benchmark for AAA. You do need money to be a standard.
 
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