Chinese Trainer Aircraft (JL-8, JL-9, JL-10 (L-15), etc.)

lcloo

Captain
Correction - the stenciling indicates a radar but is it a fire control radar?
From Chinese Baidu site for JL10 aka L-15:

Translated from Chinese:-
Fire Control Radar
L-15 trainer can be equipped with aperture of up to 400 mm fire control radar, according to the "advanced trainer fire control radar development trend" article, the relevant units in China have developed a passive phased array fire control radar for the L-15, with a variety of working modes. Air combat mode includes: edge range tracking, edge search edge tracking, air combat combat, battlefield situational awareness, single-target and dual-target tracking;

At the same time, the L-15 also has the ability to mount Chinese-made photoelectric aiming pods, with advanced avionics systems and detection equipment, not only can drop laser-guided bombs, but also can use laser inertial guidance system for satellite guidance / inertial guidance weapons to provide initial alignment, so as to have the ability to use precision-guided weapons such as JDAM, and even launch light anti-ship missiles, its function and use than the strong-5 more extensive, combat effectiveness is obviously higher.

雷达火控​

L-15教练机可以配备孔径达到400毫米的
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,根据《高级教练机火控雷达发展趋势》一文,中国相关单位已经为L-15研制了无源
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火控雷达,具备多种的工作模式。空战模式包括:边测距边跟踪、边搜索边跟踪、空战格斗、战场态势感知,单目标及双目标跟踪;空地模式包括;空地测距、真实波束绘图、多普勒锐化、合成孔径成像、地面移动目标指示,地/海面移动目标指示、海面单目标跟踪等。
同时L-15也具备挂载中国国产光电瞄准吊舱的能力,凭借先进的航空电子系统和探测设备,不但可以投放
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,还可以利用激光惯导系统为卫星制导/惯导制导武器提供初始对准,从而具备使用JDAM这样的精确制导武器的能力,甚至还可以发射轻型反舰导弹,它的功能和用途比
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更加广泛,作战效能显然也更高 [19] 。
 

Grupo2

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It's still far from certain what exactly is available for export. It's confirmed that negotiations are ongoing with Uruguay but again, the Uruguayan requirement for a radar is non-negotiable. They appear ready to buy used Western aircraft if the Chinese offer does not include radar. Supersonic performance may or may not be a requirement at this point.
 

KampfAlwin

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It's still far from certain what exactly is available for export. It's confirmed that negotiations are ongoing with Uruguay but again, the Uruguayan requirement for a radar is non-negotiable. They appear ready to buy used Western aircraft if the Chinese offer does not include radar. Supersonic performance may or may not be a requirement at this point.
When is the deadline? I didn't know Uruguay is looking for a new aircraft, seems obscured in the news cycle.
 

sndef888

Captain
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It's still far from certain what exactly is available for export. It's confirmed that negotiations are ongoing with Uruguay but again, the Uruguayan requirement for a radar is non-negotiable. They appear ready to buy used Western aircraft if the Chinese offer does not include radar. Supersonic performance may or may not be a requirement at this point.
Wait why is China denying a radar? It's not like such a small, past generation radar is susceptible to espionage
 

Grupo2

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When is the deadline? I didn't know Uruguay is looking for a new aircraft, seems obscured in the news cycle.
Uruguay has been looking for a replacement for its A-37 Dragonflies for quite a few years now but the problem has been finding something that fits within their limited budget - a visit by air force staff to China in 2016 came away with the impression that the l15 would be suitable.

There's no deadline that I'm aware of it's just been several years of ongoing talks and negotiations with possible suppliers
 

Grupo2

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Wait why is China denying a radar? It's not like such a small, past generation radar is susceptible to espionage
Don't think it's a case of denial - they would be glad to sell combat aircraft to a new customer in Latin America, it's just unclear what is available and being offered for export.

The Zambian aircraft appear to have a small radar in the SY-80 class, which would be good enough for Uruguayan requirements (detection and tracking of illegal drug flights from outside Uruguay)
 

Apache299

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Hey guys, i'm looking for estimates of how many of the JL-9s the Chinese air force is still flying? I think around 50 of them were delivered around 2011, but i ve been looking for updates on that plane or whether there has been any crashes etc. Any tips or suggestions? thanks!
 

Miragedriver

Brigadier
Hey guys, i'm looking for estimates of how many of the JL-9s the Chinese air force is still flying? I think around 50 of them were delivered around 2011, but i ve been looking for updates on that plane or whether there has been any crashes etc. Any tips or suggestions? thanks!
I couldn’t find anything regarding the number of JL-9 in the Air Force (PLAAF). However, Naval Aviation has the following as of 2020:

20 JL-9H

16 JL-9G

Perhaps another member with better information can chime in.
 

lcloo

Captain
Hey guys, i'm looking for estimates of how many of the JL-9s the Chinese air force is still flying? I think around 50 of them were delivered around 2011, but i ve been looking for updates on that plane or whether there has been any crashes etc. Any tips or suggestions? thanks!
There is no detail information on the nymber of JL9 in service, but we can use information from Huitong's Chinese Military Aviation to deduct a conservative minimum numbers.

The followings are the regiment/brigade/aviation university fleet serial numbers, assuming they operate 8 aircraft each (conservative minimum) :-
83X71 83X5X 78X2X 78X4X
4X8X 1X3X 3X2X 2X4X 1X1X

9 rejiment or brigade x 8 aircraft = 72 (assuming 8 aircraft per regiment/brigade etc)

If you go for the high end number of 24 aircraft per regiment/brigade, the number would be 9 X 24 = 216 aircraft.

However, some training regiment have a mixed fleet of JL9 and JJ7, so the real number is probably around 100 to 150 aircraft.
 
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