Chinese submarines thread

[MIGleader]

Re: Chinese sub thread

good point. china probably does not have the ability to coordinate a mass missle attack, so the best it can do is fire its missles sub by sub. i guess for a few subs like 3-4, a coordinated attack shouldnt be too hard, but if you try to add in more subs, planes nad ground missles, china simply cna coordinate em all.

 

[Roger604]

Re: Chinese sub thread

I'm a bit confused. I thought AEGIS is based on or closely related to the PAC3 systems. And I thought those PAC3 systems made error after error during the last Gulf War. Are there recent incidents when USA's missile defense systems have been used in combat?

There are no public sources of AEGIS tests against supersonic missiles (10, 30, 50, 100 at once), are there?

 

[tphuang]

Re: Chinese sub thread

I think PAC-3 is ballistic missile defense, whereas Aegis is a control system used to operate a naval defense against cruise missiles and planes.

Also on the Aegis's handling of missiles. I'm sure it can track 100, but it's said to be only capable of targetting 12? Or am I just thinking of SM-2 here?

 

[coolieno99]

Re: Chinese sub thread

As far as having Moslit or Sunburn. I think the US did pruchase some a few years ago. I'm sure when the USN sank the ex-USS America CV-66(80,000) tons dis. Some Moskit/Sunburn's were used. ....
But I do believe that the US purchased some Russian missiles from the Ukraine some years ago.

I hope the USN don't spend too much time practicing on the Moskit. The integral rocket-ramjet engine technology used on the Moskit is about 30 years old. Rocket-ramjet engine technology was first used on the legendary Russian-built SA-6 anti-aircraft missiles. The SA-6 missiles were first used in the Arab-Israeli Yom Kippur War of 1973. 95 SA-6 missiles were launched by the Arabs, destroying 64 Israeli jet fighters. The rocket-ramjet engines gives the missiles extraordinary long range, I think the speed of these missiles is about Mach 4 ... the Western military establishment were totally surprised by these weapons ... :coffee:

 

[darth sidious]

Re: Chinese sub thread

first missile to use ram jet tech was the German V-1 during WWII

he Moskit is preety dam old that why the chinese is not buying any more of that stuff rather they are designing their own the YJ-62 about as capable as the Brahmos in anti-ship mode

a while back a modle of the yuan was displayed showiing 8 large missile tubes most likely for the YJ-62

 

[bd popeye]

Re: Chinese sub thread

I hope the USN don't spend too much time practicing on the Moskit. The integral rocket-ramjet engine technology used on the Moskit is about 30 years old. Rocket-ramjet engine technology was first used on the legendary Russian-built SA-6 anti-aircraft missiles. The SA-6 missiles were first used in the Arab-Israeli Yom Kippur War of 1973. 95 SA-6 missiles were launched by the Arabs, destroying 64 Israeli jet fighters. The rocket-ramjet engines gives the missiles extraordinary long range, I think the speed of these missiles is about Mach 4 ... the Western military establishment were totally surprised by these weapons ... :coffee:

Coolieno99..I think you may misunderstand. The US probaly did buy some Moskit missiles. And has studied them to some extent. But your implication that the US is wasting time studing them because it is a older technology is ludricroius. This is a missile that is still in use by other nations. Therefore a precieved threat. I'm sure the US DoD is "wasting" it's time building more CVN's. DDG's and F-22 Raptors etc...

As for the Arabs shooting down some Israeli aircraft 32 years ago..well it did not help them wim the "Yom Kipper War" did it? Let's check the score ..who won the war?? Israel. Silly argument on my part..sorry

 

[IDonT]

Re: Chinese sub thread

I hope the USN don't spend too much time practicing on the Moskit. The integral rocket-ramjet engine technology used on the Moskit is about 30 years old. Rocket-ramjet engine technology was first used on the legendary Russian-built SA-6 anti-aircraft missiles. The SA-6 missiles were first used in the Arab-Israeli Yom Kippur War of 1973. 95 SA-6 missiles were launched by the Arabs, destroying 64 Israeli jet fighters. The rocket-ramjet engines gives the missiles extraordinary long range, I think the speed of these missiles is about Mach 4 ... the Western military establishment were totally surprised by these weapons ... :coffee:

Yet those very same SA-6 missles were neutralize very quickly 9 years later in the Bekaa Valley. It just goes to show that training and tactics and goes a long way than just simply relying on technology.

Just having a weapon system is not good enough, you must know how to use it properly - using its strengths and avoiding its weakness.

 

[Roger604]

Re: Chinese sub thread

first missile to use ram jet tech was the German V-1 during WWII

he Moskit is preety dam old that why the chinese is not buying any more of that stuff rather they are designing their own the YJ-62 about as capable as the Brahmos in anti-ship mode

a while back a modle of the yuan was displayed showiing 8 large missile tubes most likely for the YJ-62

Really? More capable than the Brahmos? I thought Moskit is the most advanced antiship missile China has. What is in the development pipeline now as far the next generation of Chinese antiship missiles are? How do they stack up against Russian ones. If I'm not mistaken, the Klub is currently Russia's top of the line AS missile.

 

[MIGleader]

Re: Chinese sub thread

nah. moskit is simply the fastest. or the fastest known. its generally agreed than the yj-62 has a range of over 300 km, while the moskit has 120km and brahmos 290 km. the speed of the yj-62 is unknow, but should be somewhere around mach 2.0, seeing how its predecessor the yj-83 flew at mach 1.5-2.0.
its still not as fast as the moskit mach 2.5 or the brahmos 2.8, but its fast enought to evade many defences, and gets more time to distinguish its targets in case of decoy use. like the yj-83, it should be capable of waterline diving, and reaching considerable distance without the helicopter.

 

[coolieno99]

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Just having a weapon system is not good enough, you must know how to use it properly - using its strengths and avoiding its weakness.

I agree with you on this point. The USN will probably never see the Moskit in action. Not because it is based on 20 year old technology, but because it is a ship-launched missile. There's no way a missile frigate is going to get close enough to a carrier battle group to launch its missiles. The only good way to attack a carrier is to use either air-launched or sub-launched missiles, or even torpedoes(long range wake-homers like SET-65KE) for that matter. :coffee:

P.S. The USN may see Moskit in action against the Russian Navy. Russia has air-launched(Kh-41 on Su-32/34) and sub-launched versions(on Victor III) of the Moskit.