Chinese submarines thread
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Yes and most military experts agree upon China's greatest weakness is in C4I.
yes not publicaly. However the USN has the acoustic signature of every Russian Submarine as vice versa. The ability to tell whether something that shows up on a sonar is based on acoustic signature to determine the threat.
China is not almost caught up with Russia it is far behind especially in ASW. China is no where near the capability to the threat of the Russia navy back during the height of its powers. China most recent submarines the 093 are predicited to be similar in capability to the Russian Victor III which is a very old SSN. As for safety China had its share of accidents.
Yes and most military experts agree upon China's greatest weakness is in C4I.
MIGleader
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what are u talking about? the victor III entered service in 1979, so its pretty much an 80s ship. that younger than the los angelos class, which forst entered service in 1976.
most military experts agree c4i WAS the weakness of china, but agree china has made vast progress, making C4i not a weakneese, but merely so and so.
chinas share of accidents are extremely tiny compared to the u,s and russia. the u.s lost 11 twelve subs during the time china lost 0. the only major chinese accident was the 361 ming accident. i wont even go into how many russia lost, but the kursk should give you a pretty good idea.
what are u talking about? the victor III entered service in 1979, so its pretty much an 80s ship. that younger than the los angelos class, which forst entered service in 1976.
most military experts agree c4i WAS the weakness of china, but agree china has made vast progress, making C4i not a weakneese, but merely so and so.
chinas share of accidents are extremely tiny compared to the u,s and russia. the u.s lost 11 twelve subs during the time china lost 0. the only major chinese accident was the 361 ming accident. i wont even go into how many russia lost, but the kursk should give you a pretty good idea.
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Ok MIGleader, Let me get this straight because I'm not sure just what you are trying to post. Are you saying the USN has lost 11 or 12 subs?
If so since what year? True that the US sub force has had it's share of accidents etc. But as far as losing a sub..well..I'm pretty sure the USN has lost only two subs since the end of WW 2.(1945)..The USS Thresher in '63 and USS Scropion in '68. Click around and check the tables in the link below.
As for the Russians..gee we all know they have lost a number of subs. The PLAN sub losses could be unknown since the PRC is so secrective about it's military. Another reason for the lack of PLAN losses could be they don't send their subs to sea as often as the US or Russia. I could be wrong.
Ok MIGleader, Let me get this straight because I'm not sure just what you are trying to post. Are you saying the USN has lost 11 or 12 subs?
If so since what year? True that the US sub force has had it's share of accidents etc. But as far as losing a sub..well..I'm pretty sure the USN has lost only two subs since the end of WW 2.(1945)..The USS Thresher in '63 and USS Scropion in '68. Click around and check the tables in the link below.As for the Russians..gee we all know they have lost a number of subs. The PLAN sub losses could be unknown since the PRC is so secrective about it's military. Another reason for the lack of PLAN losses could be they don't send their subs to sea as often as the US or Russia. I could be wrong.
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popeyey is right...you see west didn't know anything for soviet subs accidents (apart of those high puplicity things like the "whiskey on the rocks") before the breakup of soviet union and the openings of the archives...The fact that there is no info availble doesen't mean nothing happened. Don't take this anyway country-brahshing, but if we take notice of the general building standarts of PLAN subs in the past, the accident rate must be wihtout any doupt considerably bigger than "nothing"...
popeyey is right...you see west didn't know anything for soviet subs accidents (apart of those high puplicity things like the "whiskey on the rocks") before the breakup of soviet union and the openings of the archives...The fact that there is no info availble doesen't mean nothing happened. Don't take this anyway country-brahshing, but if we take notice of the general building standarts of PLAN subs in the past, the accident rate must be wihtout any doupt considerably bigger than "nothing"...
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Thank you Gollevainen. Another factor could be that only in recent years has the PLAN sent to sea such a formidibale force of subs.
As far as the Russians go not telling all this goes for theire space program. I saw a speicl on the USSR space program some years ago stating that the USSR had 37 cosmonauts missing. What happend to them? Who knows? I know some were killed in 1971 upon re-entry...As Gollevainen posted..just because it was not reported does not mean it did not happen...
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Thank you Gollevainen. Another factor could be that only in recent years has the PLAN sent to sea such a formidibale force of subs.
As far as the Russians go not telling all this goes for theire space program. I saw a speicl on the USSR space program some years ago stating that the USSR had 37 cosmonauts missing. What happend to them? Who knows? I know some were killed in 1971 upon re-entry...As Gollevainen posted..just because it was not reported does not mean it did not happen...
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In my perspective the USN lost 3. I add the Skitleback to that list. While true some of those subs suffered damage beyond repair all made it back to port except the Skitleback, Thresher and Scropion.
Thank you for posting that list. That site is very interesting.
MIGleader said:
In my perspective the USN lost 3. I add the Skitleback to that list. While true some of those subs suffered damage beyond repair all made it back to port except the Skitleback, Thresher and Scropion.
Thank you for posting that list. That site is very interesting.
darth sidious
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Mig
atlest one whiskey is lost in the 50s during a collision with a destoryer the subis now part of a traning school
either way china has way too little subs a minium of 150 is needed for an bule water fleet
Mig
atlest one whiskey is lost in the 50s during a collision with a destoryer the subis now part of a traning school
either way china has way too little subs a minium of 150 is needed for an bule water fleet
MIGleader
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china is not at a shortage of subs. it probably has one of the largest and most capable sub fleets in east asia, second only to the russian pacific fleet.
i dont know where 150 came from...america has only around 50. the only real requirement of a blue water navy is an aircraft carrier and a couple of destroyers, making countries like thailand technically blue water.
onw whiskey accident + one ming is two accidents, not very much. at least slackpiv can get my point.
china is not at a shortage of subs. it probably has one of the largest and most capable sub fleets in east asia, second only to the russian pacific fleet.
i dont know where 150 came from...america has only around 50. the only real requirement of a blue water navy is an aircraft carrier and a couple of destroyers, making countries like thailand technically blue water.
onw whiskey accident + one ming is two accidents, not very much. at least slackpiv can get my point.
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