Chinese semiconductor thread II

SanWenYu

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Moore threads is still working on GPUs but their drivers are still miserable to work with. At the current rate I don’t think we’ll see a globally competitive Chinese GPU for a long time if we ever do. It doesn’t seem to be a high priority.
Will Huawei open the API/ABI of its Harmony OS to independent hardware vendors like MT?
 

curiouscat

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Will Huawei open the API/ABI of its Harmony OS to independent hardware vendors like MT?
I really doubt it. HUAWEI is as bad as Apple when it comes to this stuff. Their bootloaders have been locked for years and HUAWEI has been pretty hostile towards others in a similar method to Apple. I personally love HUAWEI hardware but I had to stop buying it after they started locking everything down. Hobbyist development and tinkering with HUAWEI stuff is very difficult.
 

BlackWindMnt

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Moore threads is still working on GPUs but their drivers are still miserable to work with. At the current rate I don’t think we’ll see a globally competitive Chinese GPU for a long time if we ever do. It doesn’t seem to be a high priority.
Yeah there's something about GPU drivers that makes it extremely hard. Probably because its such an extreme parallel work load.

Will Huawei open the API/ABI of its Harmony OS to independent hardware vendors like MT?
If I'm not mistaken harmonyOS supports Vulkan, opengl etc.
 

tphuang

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Moore threads is still working on GPUs but their drivers are still miserable to work with. At the current rate I don’t think we’ll see a globally competitive Chinese GPU for a long time if we ever do. It doesn’t seem to be a high priority.
there is this great Chinese chip designer called Huawei/Hisilicon with huge resources. And they are going to design a competitive Chinese GPU. If they already do the work for their Mate 70 SoC, standalone is pretty straightforward after that.
 

curiouscat

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there is this great Chinese chip designer called Huawei/Hisilicon with huge resources. And they are going to design a competitive Chinese GPU. If they already do the work for their Mate 70 SoC, standalone is pretty straightforward after that.
Unfortunately it won’t be that straightforward. Existing mobile GPU designs including HUAWEI’s differ significantly from standalone designs. Just take a look at the Qualcomm Snapdragon X Elite chips. Top tier GPUs on mobile but horrible performance for standalone PC. It is going to be extremely difficult for any vendor no matter how well resourced to break into the standalone space, including for HUAWEI.
 

latenlazy

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Yeah there's something about GPU drivers that makes it extremely hard. Probably because its such an extreme parallel work load.


If I'm not mistaken harmonyOS supports Vulkan, opengl etc.
It's a lot of optimization work. Takes time and a lot of collaboration with developers writing the code stack for rendering engines to convert the raw compute potential from the hardware into effective performance. This is just the part of the tech development curve that is going to take time. Ecosystem advantages do matter here.
 

curiouscat

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It's a lot of optimization work. Takes time and a lot of collaboration with developers writing the code stack for rendering engines to convert the raw compute potential from the hardware into effective performance. This is just the part of the tech development curve that is going to take time. Ecosystem advantages do matter here.
Yeah unfortunately AMD and Nvidia have almost a 30 year head-start on this with deep industry integrations everywhere including in gaming, 3D rendering, and CAD. The level of vendor lock in China is gonna have to deal with for GPUs is pretty insane. I think a domestic GPU ecosystem will eventually be built but I think we’re looking at possibly 15+ years for the whole ecosystem to reach maturity.
 
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