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Petrolicious88

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Hi horse

Thanks bro , highly appreciated.

Expert had been saying that in AI its neck to neck between China and the US. Since its a new tech China isn't handicap with a legacy problem unlike in the semiconductor. I'm not an expert but from my understanding you need huge data to make advances in AI, its more of an application thing which China had a huge advantage.
That’s only partly true. China has the most data. That is it’s advantage. But the quality of its data may not be as good as those from the US.

Both quantity and quality matters. The US and China lead in different areas in AI
 

ansy1968

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China Electronics Technology Group is working on 3D Intergration Technology which will allow advanced Chips to be manufactured using older DUV Lithographs.

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Hi WTAN,

good news a new way of utilizing old tech to leap frog new tech. Question apply this new development to SMEE 28nm DUVL, we can see 3nm chips a possibility? Does this mean EUVL is an expensive enterprises and had become obsolete?
 

WTAN

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Hi WTAN,

good news a new way of utilizing old tech to leap frog new tech. Question apply this new development to SMEE 28nm DUVL, we can see 3nm chips a possibility? Does this mean EUVL is an expensive enterprises and had become obsolete?
Just read the news today.
If CETC has developed this new technology, then it is good news for the semiconductor industry in China.
Chinese FABs will be able to produce high performance Chips at a low cost as Older Lithographs can be used.
Yes, 3nm and 5nm type Chips may be able to be produced just by using DUV Lithographs. No EUV Lithograph required.
Have to follow CETC and get more information.
 

ansy1968

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Just read the news today.
If CETC has developed this new technology, then it is good news for the semiconductor industry in China.
Chinese FABs will be able to produce high performance Chips at a low cost as Older Lithographs can be used.
Yes, 3nm and 5nm type Chips may be able to be produced just by using DUV Lithographs. No EUV Lithograph required.
Have to follow CETC and get more information.
HI WTAN,

Very please and Thanks for your hard work, Do you think with this development that EUVL maybe cancel and declared redundant? Hopefully not, with EUVL project China was able to develop advance optics , DPP and in the future LPP power source. Maybe a parallel program can be instituted.
 

ansy1968

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Hi WTAN,

Perfect timing for Huawei FABS ambition, since its 45nm FABS will be finish this year, then they can utilized this new tech to develop its 7nm Chips, so a big maybe late 2021 we can see Huawei P50 pro phone with its own 7nm Kirin 1000 5G chips. Need to save money now for a possible purchase....hehehe :cool:
 

Jiang ZeminFanboy

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This is serious stuff, finally a practical learning center, its like an official OJT that will train future talent on the job.

China's first university dedicated to training of IC talent officially established
2020-10-22 19:22:59 GMT+8 | cnTechPost
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China's first university dedicated to training of IC talent officially established-cnTechPost's first university dedicated to training of IC talent officially established-cnTechPost

On October 22, the Nanjing Integrated Circuit University, China's first university dedicated to the training of integrated circuit talent, was officially established in Nanjing.
The university is not a traditional one, but more like an open platform to connect universities and companies, an important supplement to university education, and an important source of talent for enterprises.

Compared to other universities, Nanjing Integrated Circuit University is different in terms of building body, orientation, student source, faculty, curriculum, and graduation certificate.
China's first university dedicated to training of IC talent officially established-cnTechPost's first university dedicated to training of IC talent officially established-cnTechPost


Nanjing Integrated Circuit University is not organized by the Chinese Ministry of Education or the provincial or municipal education authorities, but by the Jiangbei New District Administrative Committee in response to the needs of local industrial development.
Unlike other universities, which are academically oriented and focus on the transfer of theoretical knowledge, this university is a talent cultivation organization, which is skill-oriented and focuses on practical training and teaching, cultivating industrial talents with practical abilities and professional skills.

The students of the school are no longer high school students who enter the school through university entrance examinations, but students with basic professional knowledge from colleges and universities, interdisciplinary students who are interested in working on integrated circuits, and junior staff recruited from enterprises who are still in the training period.

The teachers here come more from senior engineers, domestic and foreign industry experts and universities with high academic level.
The course is not like the standardized curriculum approved by the education department, but rather is personalized, based on students' weaknesses and the job skills demanded by enterprises, and the final certificate obtained by students is the certificate of completion after practical assessment and certification.
China's first university dedicated to training of IC talent officially established-cnTechPost's first university dedicated to training of IC talent officially established-cnTechPost
Any news about programs in English? I think some foreigners would glad to go.
 

semiconzen2020

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China Electronics Technology Group is working on 3D Intergration Technology which will allow advanced Chips to be manufactured using older DUV Lithographs.

Hello everyone,
I am new here and curious about global Semiconductor Developments.

What ist meant by 3D Integration Technology ? Upgrade (?) 90nm chips performing as good as 7nm chips ?
That sounds too good to be true. Anybody here with a clue what is meant ?

Thanks
 

ansy1968

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Hello everyone,
I am new here and curious about global Semiconductor Developments.

What ist meant by 3D Integration Technology ? Upgrade (?) 90nm chips performing as good as 7nm chips ?
That sounds too good to be true. Anybody here with a clue what is meant ?

Thanks
Hi semiconzen2020,

90nm litho equipment combine/upgraded with 3D Integration Technology capable of producing 7nm chips. right now most leading edge FABS use EUVL to produce 5nm. TSMC are able to produce early generation 7nm tech using ASML DUVL (38NM twin scan?).

Since SMEE 90nm litho is most commonly use in China, having this new tech can instantly upgrade the production capacity of advance chip since their is a ban on supplying ASML EUVL to China by the west.

SMEE had recently develop an advance 28nm DUVL that is capability of producing 7nm and 5nm with multi patterning and is under construction for SMIC and Huawei. It will be online next year.
 
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