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ansy1968

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It's all well and good, the problem as always who will FABs the chip, Hopefully by that time, SMIC , HUAWEI and even HUAHONG can able to produce using domestic tech.

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NIO plans to develop its own self-driving chip, report says
2020-10-21 9:47:37 GMT+8 | cnTechPost
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NIO plans to develop its own self-driving chip, report says-cnTechPost

Chinese EV maker NIO (NYSE: NIO) is planning to develop its own computing chip for self-driving, Chinese tech website
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said, citing industry sources, adding that the program is still in its early stages and is being driven primarily by NIO chairman and CEO William Li Bin.
In line with the plans, NIO has also set up a separate hardware team, internally called "Smart HW (Hardware)". According to the report, William Li Bin has been looking for a technical leader with a silicon-based background since a few months ago.

Sources close to William Li Bin said that although the chip project has not yet been discussed by the board of directors, William Li Bin's intentions have been clear, and he is thinking about the final structure and has been making some advance communication to the company's executives and shareholders.
The report quoted a chip practitioner as saying that the capital investment required to develop their own chips could range from 1 billion yuan to 1 billion US dollars, depending on the extent of research and development.

Since 2020, NIO has successively raised more than 20 billion yuan through the issuance of convertible bonds, the location of China's headquarters in Hefei and the issuance of additional shares.
Such projects should be placed in the next year's budget due to the large amount of money invested, with NIO's annual budget meeting to be held at the end of the year, according to the aforementioned report.

"With William Li Bin's current reputation, it won't be too difficult to finalize this project," The source said.
Between 2019 and 2020, under William Li Bin's leadership, NIO has undergone a resurrection from near death, with its stock price skyrocketing from close to the $1 exit redline to around $28. NIO's market capitalization has jumped to the second-largest car company in the country, behind BYD.
Smart EV companies are looking at the smart technology of their vehicles as a core competency. Tesla is vertically integrated through autonomous development at the software and hardware levels of the smart driver and cabin, thus enabling rapid iteration of the entire OTA.

In 2019, Tesla's self-developed Autopilot chip also landed in mass production, with a computing power of 144TOPS, nearly five times that of NVIDIA's Xavier, making Tesla Autopilot once again leading the industry in terms of technology and cost control.
Head starters such as NIO, Li Auto and XPeng have already followed Tesla's lead and are doing their own research and development on cockpits and intelligent driving.
XPeng has built a Chinese and foreign R&D team in 2017, and NIO, in addition to using Mobileye solutions for the perception aspect of smart driving, has also conducted its own research on planning and control algorithms.

Li Auto also urgently recruited a team after the IPO to invest in the independent research and development of intelligent driving, the company's new CTO Wang Kai made it clear that "perception should definitely be self-researched, the automatic driving team will recruit more than 200 people."
In August, cnTechPost reported that NIO has accelerated its expansion and begun to invest more in its automated driving software.

Jamie Carlson, the North American-based vice president in charge of NIO's automated driving business, left the company in June, and Ren Shaoqing, formerly Momenta's director of research and development, has joined NIO, hinting that NIO will increase its investment in automated driving technology.
Ren Shaoqing serves as assistant vice president and reports directly to NIO CEO Li Bin.
Jamie Carlson, who left Apple in October 2016 to join NIO's North American R&D center, has returned to Apple's Special Projects Group, where the company's Titan car project is based.
The departure of Jamie Carlson and the addition of Ren Shaoqing is in line with NIO's return to China to focus its self-driving strategy.
 

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who is this "people" that you are talking about? the US?
US & It's lackeys.
im not american
That doesn't sound very cool. Don't leave your protector in the cold after they asked you for more protection money.
what have the US done with SWIFT exactly?
Everything anyone shouldn't have done.
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ansy1968

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Probably they don't need the smallest chips for cars. As always Apple car is just copying from other vendors for technology.
Hi Peter2018,

Yes, thanks for the reminder as stated by machupicu , 28nm is within the capability of SMIC and other Chinese FABS , more detail article below from cnTechPost

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EV makers vie for autopilot 'crown' as NIO reportedly plans to develop self-driving chip
2020-10-21 20:11:23 GMT+8 | cnTechPost
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EV makers vie for autopilot 'crown' as NIO reportedly plans to develop self-driving chip-cnTechPost

Chinese media reported today said that NIO is planning to develop its own self-driving computing chip and the program, mainly driven by NIO chairman and CEO William Li Bin, is still in the early stages.
Sources close to William Li Bin said that although the chip project has not yet been discussed by the board of directors, William Li Bin's intentions have been clear, and he is thinking about the final structure and has been making some advance communication to the company's executives and shareholders.

In the meantime, Tesla has also been gearing up for the release of its new automated driving chip FSD 2.0 recently.

Elon Musk has announced on Twitter that Tesla will release FSD 2.0 beta, the version of the ability to achieve zero-intervention driving, with interstate driving and automatic summoning vehicles, which is expected to promote Tesla as the first to achieve L5 level of automated driving company.
It is worth mentioning that Musk has changed his aggressive "technophile" style this time, emphasizing that the beta will be limited to a small number of careful and driver-savvy drivers.
The company also said that FSD 2.0 will be rolled out in an "extremely slow and cautious" manner that is likely to maximize safety. The conservative launch may be a good paradigm shift for Tesla, which has been under public pressure over its autonomous driving.

In fact, NIO has never hidden its ambitions for autopilot, having conducted autopilot-related business at its inception.

But since the departure of its US chief development officer and CEO, Woodsley, before the end of 2018, under pressure from the financial chain, the industry has generally believed that NIO has abandoned autonomous driving technology for its own development.
But starting this year, after temporarily resolving its funding crisis, NIO has heavily invested in autopilot in recent months.
In August, William Li Bin said that the investment in the research and development of automatic driving technology will definitely increase in the future.
On August 15, former Momenta R&D director Ren Shaoqing joined NIO to head the auto-driving R&D business.
On September 1, Ningbo Joyson Electronic's subsidiary, Junlian Zhixing, has become a supplier for Chinese EV maker NIO's 5G-V2X (Vehicle to Everything) platform with the project worth about 660 million yuan ($96 million), which includes 5G-TBOX and 5G-VBOX for V2X.


On September 26, NIO officially launched the NOP Pilot Assist system, which can automatically enter and exit ramps on urban expressways and expressways, becoming the only company in China and the second company in the world to put this technology into use.
Compared to the above layout, if the news of the self-developed automatic driving chip is true, it not only reflects NIO's vision of automated driving but also means that as the core of the development of intelligent vehicles, the in-vehicle chip field will once again usher in a strong contender.
NIO will also become Tesla, after the first to test the waters of the car chip new force.
CSC Financial analyst Shi Zezui said in a report on September 11, the master control chip and computing platform to become the core of the development of automotive intelligence, car AI chip is the crown jewel.
According to market research firm Guan Yan predicted that the global automated driving AI reasoning chip market size will grow 135% annually from $142 million in 2017 to $10.2 billion in 2022, far exceeding the market size of $3.4 billion in mobile phone side AI chip market.

Shi Zezui said that the current car AI chip market presents a competitive landscape of traditional automotive chip makers and ICT manufacturers to compete with each other.

Among them, Tesla following the release of its first self-developed chip FSD and AutoPilot hardware version HW 3.0 in April last year, this year will be launched as scheduled FSD 2.0.
Tesla's HW 4.0 is expected to go into mass production next year, using a 7nm process with more than three times the computing power of HW 3.0, and can be used in the four major fields of ADAS, electric vehicle powertrain, in-vehicle entertainment systems, and body electronics, making it a true "car brain".
Last December, NVIDIA released its latest autopilot chip Orin at its GTC 2019 China Technology Conference, which can run a large number of applications and deep neural networks simultaneously in autonomous vehicles and robots, and meet system safety standards such as ISO 26262 ASIL-D.
 

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There are 2 methods of producing EUV rays. Laser Produced Plasma(LPP) where high power laser is use to strike and excite tin atoms to emit EUV rays. Discharge Produce Plasma(DPP) where an electrical spark is use to excite tin atoms to emit EUV rays. There are advantages and disadvantages of both methods. ASML uses the LPP method. China had replicate the LPP method, but there could be patent issues with LPP. China is also involved with development with DPP. China had started working with EUV lithography tools years ago as background research. Background research is doing research and development on advance technology that has no immediate profitable outcome but it may be profitable sometime in the future. It's very costly but the central government is paying the bill.
 

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There are 2 methods of producing EUV rays. Laser Produced Plasma(LPP) where high power laser is use to strike and excite tin atoms to emit EUV rays. Discharge Produce Plasma(DPP) where an electrical spark is use to excite tin atoms to emit EUV rays. There are advantages and disadvantages of both methods. ASML uses the LPP method. China had replicate the LPP method, but there could be patent issues with LPP. China is also involved with development with DPP. China had started working with EUV lithography tools years ago as background research. Background research is doing research and development on advance technology that has no immediate profitable outcome but it may be profitable sometime in the future. It's very costly but the central government is paying the bill.
Hi coolieno99,

but there could be patent issues with LPP

Do SMEE and CIOMP need to abide? Are there any more repercussion since they are already sanction?
 

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Huawei's Phoenix Engine boasts of PC-level mobile light chasing technology
2020-10-21 22:35:41 GMT+8 | cnTechPost
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Huawei's Phoenix Engine boasts of PC-level mobile light chasing technology-cnTechPost

Huawei recently announced that its Phoenix Engine's Ray Shop is the industry's most advanced mobile light-rendered hybrid rendering pipeline, widely used in games and other 3D applications to improve image quality.
Easy SuperSamping is a new generation mobile post-processing pipeline that supports a wide range of light sources and materials at low power consumption, and deferred is a new generation mobile post-processing pipeline that supports a wide range of light sources and materials at low power consumption.

Huawei Phoenix Engine is a suite of mobile graphics acceleration technologies that bring the real-time ray tracing effects of the most advanced top-of-the-line graphics cards at the PC level to mobile phones.
At the moment, Huawei doesn't go into detail about this set of technologies, but the technology and the Kirin 9000 chip should be of great assistance.
Based on the running score, it appears that the Kirin 9000 will have a 24-core Mali-G78 GPU inside, so the Phoenix engine should have more of a role in it.
According to previous ARM claims, the comprehensive architecture, process and other aspects of the improvement, Mali-G78 compared to the Mali-G77 can improve performance by up to 25%, even under the same process conditions can also improve 15%, while energy efficiency by 10% and machine learning performance by 15%.
 

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Hi coolieno99,

but there could be patent issues with LPP

Do SMEE and CIOMP need to abide? Are there any more repercussion since they are already sanction?

Everybody is doing LPP because its more efficient. US cymer, Japan Gigaphoton and Germany Trumpf. No one is using DPP.
Keep on doing DPP you gonna have an inferior product.
 

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Beijing is calling for "orderly development" after several high profile semiconductor projects across China have imploded. This comes after China is trying to develop its own chips sector in order to rely less on foreign imports, after the U.S. strengthened restrictions for some Chinese companies including Huawei to buy chips from suppliers.

Meng Wei, a spokesperson for the National Development and Reform Commission, said that "We have also noticed that the enthusiasm for domestic investment in the integrated circuit industry is constantly rising. Some companies with no experience, technology, and talents have joined the integrated circuit industry. Insufficient understanding of the laws of IC development and low-level repeated construction of chip projects are surfacing, with some projects stagnated and factory buildings vacant, resulting in waste of resources."

In just over a year, six large semiconductor projects with tens of billions RMB in investments each in five provinces, including Jiangsu, Sichuan, Hubei, Guizhou, and Shaanxi, have been shut down, causing industry concerns.

On July 10, Dekema (Nanjing) Semiconductor Technology Co., Ltd. has submitted a bankruptcy application for review. On November 5 last year, the company was officially announced by the People’s Court of Qixia District, Nanjing City as the person who was untrustworthy. The fab project, which covers an area of 170,000 square meters and claims to have invested US$3 billion, has now become a debt-laden company with large amount of dues for wages and taxes.

In addition to the Dekema incident, there is also Wuhan Hongxin Semiconductor Manufacturing Co., Ltd. located in the Economic and Technological Development Zone of Wuhan Lingkong Port, Hubei province.

The company’s planned total investment is as high as RMB128 billion yuan, and it is now struggling and on the verge of bankruptcy. In December 2019, the company held a grand ceremony for the first high-end lithography machine to enter the factory. Today, this "new and unused" lithography machine has been mortgaged to the bank.

There is also GF (Chengdu) Integrated Circuit Manufacturing Co., Ltd. in Chengdu High-tech Zone, Sichuan province. The company was established in 2017 by Global Foundries, an American chip foundry company, and the Chengdu municipal government with a planned investment of US$9.053 billion. At that time, it was known as Global Foundry’s largest and most technologically advanced production base in the world. But the company has now suspended operations for unknown reasons.

Dehuai Semiconductor Co., Ltd. is located in Huaian, Jiangsu province. The company was established in 2016 with a planned total investment of RMB45 billion yuan. It used to be a key local project, but it has not been able to start. In 2018, it was announced that "the first phase of the Dehuai Semiconductor Project was officially put into production". At the end of 2019, employees began to seek salaries compensations through the provincial governor’s mailbox. At present, the company is in a near-defunct state, and local government departments have established relevant working groups to intervene in the company to seek revitalization.

Guizhou Huaxintong Semiconductor Technology Co., Ltd. is located in Gui’an New District, Guizhou. The company was established in 2016. The Guizhou Provincial Government has targeted server processors (CPUs) with extremely high industrial ecological requirements, and invested billions of dollars in cooperation with Qualcomm of the United States to form Huaxintong. Three years later, Huaxintong was unsustainable in business and announced a business closure.

In 2019, China’s IC sales revenue was RMB756.2 billion yuan, a year-on-year increase of 15.8%.

Experts suggest that the state’s support for the chip field should be focused and should not be deployed everywhere, otherwise it will cause excess investment projects and poor benefits.

At the same time, domestic chip companies must rely on differentiated product planning and innovation to get out of homogeneous competition.

Ding Wenwu, president of the National Integrated Circuit Industry Development Investment Fund Co., Ltd., once publicly pointed out that when developing the integrated circuit industry, all localities should avoid "starting projects locally across the country" to launch factories, in order to avoid low-level duplication and create industry bubbles.



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You know what America scxxw you. Japan is our new daddy hehehehe. Now we know the reason why Japan won't ban Huawei.... and had the courage to DE-AMERICANIZED their production to supply Huawei. And now all Chinese tech company are doing the same, stockpiling and preparing for a possible sanction.

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Xiaomi, OPPO reportedly stockpiling Japanese parts and increasing production significantly
2020-10-18 17:30:24 GMT+8 | cnTechPost
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Xiaomi, OPPO reportedly stockpiling Japanese parts and increasing production significantly-cnTechPost

Japanese electronic parts makers received large stockpiling orders from Chinese handset makers such as Xiaomi, OPPO, and Vivo to fill the loss of orders from Huawei, according to
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Huawei's orders were suspended after US sanctions took effect on September 15. Still, a surge in demand from rivals such as Xiaomi, OPPO, and Vivo filled the gap, according to the report on Friday. Some customers are looking for Japanese technology, fearing that the US could extend the ban to other Chinese companies.

Total smartphone shipments are expected to fall for the fourth consecutive time in 2020, according to market researcher IDC. A 10 percent decrease to 1.2 billion units, due in part to Covid-19. However, some manufacturers have more aggressive production plans to fill Huawei's market share.
Apple recently announced to its suppliers that it plans to produce 220 million iPhones this year, 10 percent more than it previously expected. Xiaomi and OPPO are looking to seriously ramp up production in 2021, according to several of their suppliers, to reach a goal of 200 million phones each, which is more than half of what they will produce in 2020.

Huawei is expected to produce about 190 million phones this year, 20 percent less than in 2019. While Huawei has stockpiles of spare parts to minimize the immediate impact of sanctions, these reserves can only go so far. The company is thought to have about six months' worth of parts, with production expected to fall from the first quarter of 2021.
TDK Corporation, a Japanese electronic parts maker, expects other companies to purchase more than Huawei's lost business. An employee of a major Japanese electronic parts maker said, "Orders at the end of September are already at a record high, and some manufacturers are planning to double their production plans for next year."

Chipmaker Renesas Electronics Corp. was asked by a Chinese customer to have a non-US engineer redesign a specific product at a factory outside the United States. Zuken, a supplier of circuit board design software, reports growing interest from companies in China and elsewhere in finding alternatives to US-made tools.
In addition, suppliers are distancing themselves from the US in order to continue doing business with Huawei. Sumitomo Electric Industries Ltd. has begun using Japanese-made equipment instead of some US equipment to test components for Huawei's base stations.
However, one supplier warned that this is a special one-time demand boost that may be adjusted in early 2021.

If the US threatens Japan, Japan will like put a stop to it.
 
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