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tokenanalyst said:
Nothing is 100% guaranteed, but EET-China is quite solid in my opinion. But like I said, nothing is 100% guaranteed.
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Even if this article is credible, what exactly did it say? Beyond that line you quoted it's just background information any interested observer already knows. I can't gather anything beyond that the SSA800 was allegedly delayed. How long is (was) it delayed for?

We have other news that Huawei will begin fabbing 28nm next year - they're certainly not buying equipment from ASML. @foofy, do you know if Huawei will be using SMEE equipment in its production line?

Edit: Actually, looking back it seems reasonable to expect there was a delay. Look at these posts by @WTAN

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Huh, interesting to see that SMIC beats out everyone when it comes to percentage of revenue/budget (?) devoted to R&D.
www.sinodefenceforum.com
The SSA800 should have been ready by the end of 2020 - instead we're getting recent reports that it was only recently delivered to customers. This meshes with the other news that Huawei will fabricate 28nm chips next year, which is to be expected if they've bought SS800 machines.

But there's something else interesting WTAN mentioned:

Chinese semiconductor industry

Huh, interesting to see that SMIC beats out everyone when it comes to percentage of revenue/budget (?) devoted to R&D.
www.sinodefenceforum.com
There's supposedly another DUVL (an "SSA1000") that can fab down to 5nm with multiple exposures. Is this still the case or have the two projects been consolidated into one machine?
 
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ZeEa5KPul said:
Even if this article is credible, what exactly did it say? Beyond that line you quoted it's just background information any interested observer already knows. I can't gather anything beyond that the SSA800 was allegedly delayed. How long is (was) it delayed for?

We have other news that Huawei will begin fabbing 28nm next year - they're certainly not buying equipment from ASML. @foofy, do you know if Huawei will be using SMEE equipment in its production line?

Edit: Actually, looking back it seems reasonable to expect there was a delay. Look at these posts by @WTAN

Chinese semiconductor industry

Huh, interesting to see that SMIC beats out everyone when it comes to percentage of revenue/budget (?) devoted to R&D.
www.sinodefenceforum.com
The SSA800 should have been ready by the end of 2020 - instead we're getting recent reports that it was only recently delivered to customers. This meshes with the other news that Huawei will fabricate 28nm chips next year, which is to be expected if they've bought SS800 machines.

But there's something else interesting WTAN mentioned:

Chinese semiconductor industry

Huh, interesting to see that SMIC beats out everyone when it comes to percentage of revenue/budget (?) devoted to R&D.
www.sinodefenceforum.com
There's supposedly another DUVL (an "SSA1000") that can fab down to 5nm with multiple exposures. Is this still the case or have the two projects been consolidated into one machine?
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@ZeEa5KPul Yup it's the 22nm DUVL that SMEE is developing.

By @WTAN

ansy1968 said:
@BlackWindMnt bro I think we need to ask @WTAN a technical question, Sir regarding this " Shanghai Microelectronics is developing an ArF immersion lithography machine, which can cover 45-22nm". Is this a new machine or an improvement on SMEE 28NM DUVL? 22nm with double patterning it can do 10nm Chips and multiple patterning a 5nm? and if does a comparable machine to the incoming Nikon DUVL and ASML NXT 2050i?
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I actually posted a article a long time ago (article probably no longer available) that claims that SMEE has already developed a 28nm Node DUVL and that they are now developing or may already have developed a 22nm Node DUVL. In other words a DUVL that can produce 22nm ICs with a single exposure.
This means a DUVL that can potentially produce 5nm ICs.
This would probably be equivalent to the Nikon DUVL that is slated to be released in 2023 and that can produce 5nm ICs.
It is good to know that SMEE is constantly doing R&D to improve its products as it knows that the Chinese Semiconductor Industry will have to rely on DUVL before the Chinese EUVL comes online.

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I actually posted a article a long time ago (article probably no longer available) that claims that SMEE has already developed a 28nm Node DUVL and that they are now developing or may already have developed a 22nm Node DUVL. In other words a DUVL that can produce 22nm ICs with a single exposure...
 
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ZeEa5KPul said:
Even if this article is credible, what exactly did it say? Beyond that line you quoted it's just background information any interested observer already knows. I can't gather anything beyond that the SSA800 was allegedly delayed. How long is (was) it delayed for?

We have other news that Huawei will begin fabbing 28nm next year - they're certainly not buying equipment from ASML. @foofy, do you know if Huawei will be using SMEE equipment in its production line?
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I think they are benchmarking against ASML latest generation scanners but i don't think they are going to throw years of development out of the window because the scanner is not as good as the last generation ASML. I think companies like Huawei will work next year with what they have on hand, even if the performance is not as good as expected.
 
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ZeEa5KPul said:
Even if this article is credible, what exactly did it say? Beyond that line you quoted it's just background information any interested observer already knows. I can't gather anything beyond that the SSA800 was allegedly delayed. How long is (was) it delayed for?

We have other news that Huawei will begin fabbing 28nm next year - they're certainly not buying equipment from ASML. @foofy, do you know if Huawei will be using SMEE equipment in its production line?

Edit: Actually, looking back it seems reasonable to expect there was a delay. Look at these posts by @WTAN

Chinese semiconductor industry

Huh, interesting to see that SMIC beats out everyone when it comes to percentage of revenue/budget (?) devoted to R&D.
www.sinodefenceforum.com
The SSA800 should have been ready by the end of 2020 - instead we're getting recent reports that it was only recently delivered to customers. This meshes with the other news that Huawei will fabricate 28nm chips next year, which is to be expected if they've bought SS800 machines.

But there's something else interesting WTAN mentioned:

Chinese semiconductor industry

Huh, interesting to see that SMIC beats out everyone when it comes to percentage of revenue/budget (?) devoted to R&D.
www.sinodefenceforum.com
There's supposedly another DUVL (an "SSA1000") that can fab down to 5nm with multiple exposures. Is this still the case or have the two projects been consolidated into one machine?
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I don’t know. But most likely SMIC will produce for Huawei with its new Beijing fab.
 
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The machine is supposed to be equivalent to 1980i of ASML, what's the point of comparing it to 2000i? Unless they are trying to leapfrog everything and come up with 2050i right off the bat.
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Not bad. Its very good that there is such a high benchmark so that we don't have companies being lazy and compare with past generations products.

SMEE should aim to build highly competitive and quality products.

It may have "failed" the test, but it doesn't mean that the DUV machine is garbage. Having very high standards stimulates companies and engineers to work ever harder

You can say that I am having too much copium but I am encouraged that three are such high benchmarks for these tests. This means that the testing process is highly professional.

No weak companies
No mediocre companies
No lazy companies
No companies looking to make quick money

We want only the very best and be able to compete worldwide
 
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